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Re: OT guitar backup

by "Seven Inch Dilly" <no_way@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM

"Geff Crawford" wrote
> Is guitar backup just the slightest bit behind the beat in a dance tune
> with a fiddle lead?  Here's why I ask: A few times I've overdubbed over
my
> own fiddle part with a guitar backup on a multi-track recorder.  It
feels
> sort of artificial, compared with playing simultaneously with another
live
> person in a jam, or when recording live with someone else. My perception
> is that I've noticed that if the guitar isn't just slightly behind the
> fiddle, it makes the fiddle sound uncertain, or not swingy, or somehow
out
> of sync.  It's all very slight, so it could just be my ear or sense of
> rhythm.  I'd be curious if anyone else has this same perception.

Turning this on its head, if the fiddle doesn't stay out in front of the 
backup, it will not only "...sound uncertain, or not swingy, or somehow
out 
of sync..." but it will likely drag the tempo down in a live session as
the 
backup "adjusts". Good backup, whether it is banjo, guitar or (gasp) bass,

is less about the placement of notes in each measure and more about 
resisting this general tendency to drag by holding up the tempo, or "being

the wave".

Even a great fiddler with rock solid bowing can't fight mediocre backup.
But 
solid backup can make a less accomplished fiddler sound much better. Great

music happens when everyone is in the same groove. I've been in many 
informal sessions where the fiddle(s) start tunes at some tempo and before

the end it is down at least 25% (e.g. from ~125 bpm to ~100 bpm). This is 
not because the fiddler can't keep up. S/he picked the tempo with
potatoes, 
after all, and their next tune starts snappy again. It is inevitably
because 
the backup (guitar/banjo/bass) allows the tempo to drag. Thinking "behind 
the beat" aggravates the problem since there is no click track in a live 
session.
 




 28 Posts in Topic:
OT guitar backup
Geff Crawford <geff@[E  2008-01-22 19:57:11 
Re: OT guitar backup
Kellie Allen <kaallen@  2008-01-23 09:39:17 
Re: OT guitar backup
Lyle Lofgren <lylelofg  2008-01-23 11:44:28 
Re: OT guitar backup
Kellie Allen <kaallen@  2008-01-23 13:49:44 
Re: OT guitar backup
frfiddle@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-01-24 20:41:44 
Re: OT guitar backup
j_nscott@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-01-24 21:37:56 
Re: OT guitar backup
TonyG <tonyg618@[EMAIL  2008-01-26 15:34:49 
Re: OT guitar backup
duckshoes@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-01-28 12:39:38 
Re: OT guitar backup
Kellie Allen <kaallen@  2008-01-28 15:13:28 
Re: OT guitar backup
Jerry Dallal <gdallal@  2008-01-28 18:57:42 
Re: OT guitar backup
"NOSPAMCLEOMA@[EMAIL  2008-01-28 16:40:11 
Re: OT guitar backup
Jerry Dallal <gdallal@  2008-01-29 08:14:46 
Re: OT guitar backup
j_nscott@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-01-29 06:42:53 
Re: OT guitar backup
"Seven Inch Dilly&qu  2008-01-29 11:23:19 
Re: OT guitar backup
Greg Loux <GLoux@[EMAI  2008-01-29 10:54:53 
Re: OT guitar backup
Jerry Dallal <gdallal@  2008-01-29 18:27:43 
Re: OT guitar backup
paul@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-10 20:29:39 
Re: OT guitar backup
Kellie Allen <kaallen@  2008-02-10 22:03:54 
Re: OT guitar backup
paul@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-11 15:33:11 
Re: OT guitar backup
Jerry Dallal <gdallal@  2008-02-13 20:51:07 
Re: OT guitar backup
paul@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-14 07:16:32 
Re: OT guitar backup
Lyle Lofgren <lylelofg  2008-02-14 08:22:05 
Re: OT guitar backup
paul@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-14 18:23:18 
Re: OT guitar backup
wmm45@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-18 11:35:03 
Re: OT guitar backup
Lyle Lofgren <lylelofg  2008-02-18 14:57:39 
Re: OT guitar backup
Geff Crawford <geff@[E  2008-02-18 22:29:18 
Re: OT guitar backup
paul@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 06:37:06 
Re: OT guitar backup
"Seven Inch Dilly&qu  2008-02-20 01:50:10 

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