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Re: Knick Knack party

by Brad Sondahl <bradgarbage@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 6, 2008 at 02:54 PM

carlbaron wrote:
> carlbaron wrote:
>> Brad Sondahl wrote:
>>
>>> So I wondered about the origins of knick Knack,
> More than you'll probably ever want to know. Hope I got all the text 
> scan errors corrected.
> Carl
> 
> knick-knack.
>      This reduplicated word (cp. scurry) is from knack. The word 
> imitates its meaning, the sound of a sharp short blow, a map. Then it 
> meant a trick a device, a toy  then, the adroitness in performing the 
> trick. (Thus we say "That's a map 1") Knack is a member of a fertile 
> family. Many of the words in it are now obsolete  but the kn--, gn--, 
> n--, initial sounds are found in words common in the Teuton tongues, and

> linked with Latin and Greek back to far off Aryan sources, meaning 
> biting, breaking, or swelling (a protuberance, a knuckle to knock with, 
> a head). Interlocked are the ideas of to eat and to know: ME. gnawcn, to

> gnaw; AS. cnawan, to know; L. gnoscere, to know,whence Eng. cognition; 
> ignorant; Gr. gignoskein, to know; Sansk. jna, to know. The idea of 
> absorbing is common to both food and knowledge. Thus L. rumen, the first

> stomach of a cud-chewing animal, gives us both ruminant chewing cud, and

> ruminate, to think over  Shakespeare says "Chew upon this" ( Julius 
> Caesar, I,ii,171 ) meaning ponder. To digest, q.v., has the sarne double

> use  and since digestion absorbs only the good, a digest gives us (to 
> continue the food figure) the meat of an item, leaving the shell. Cp. 
> strike.
>      Some idea of this complex family of words may be gathered from the 
> listing that follows. Knab is an old spelling of nab, knabble, an early 
> form of nibble. Knag is a protuberant knot in wood. Knap (AS. cnaep), a 
> mound; also, (Du. knappen), to break short· to bite off; whence 
> knapsack, q.v. Knar is a knot (of wood)  whence knarled, now more 
> commonly gnarled--though gnarl is a diminutive of gnar, earlier knarre, 
> knar. The gn--and the sn-- words are akin: early knaw became gnaw (Gr. 
> gnathos, jaw): gnash; Dan. knaske, to grind the teeth; snap, snip, 
> snarl, snatch, snob, sunb), Perhaps it is the influence of the kn-- 
> sound that changed knave, which first meant just boy, to the sense of 
> rascal, as in knavery. Knight was spared the same fate by becoming a 
> term in history; the G. form, Knecht, has come to mean menial. Knicker, 
> a boy's marble, is from D. knikken, to knock--which itself (AS. cnucian)

> is an imitative word, like most of these. See knickers. For knit, knot, 
> and knout, see knot. Knob is a later form of knop still earlier knoppe, 
> a bud, its form knosp (Gr. knospe, bud) is used as a term in 
> architecture. Knoll (AS. cnoll) via Welsh cnol is a diminutive of Gael. 
> cnoc, mound. Knub is a variant of knob, a bump  as a verb this meant to 
> strike with the knuckles; and knuckle is a later forrn of knockel, with 
> which we knock. Knur, also nur, is a knot or lump) in wood  and knurl is

> wood knotted in the grain; to nurl is to give a fluted edge, as to a 
> coin. Knickknack itself is also spelled nick nack.
>      The forms without the initial k are as common. Nab is of two 
> sources: Ice. nabbi, a knob; and Dan. nappe, to catch. The second of 
> these gives us kidnap; cp.. kid. From ME. nap, a protuberance, comes the

> nape of the neck. (There are also nap, from AS. hnappian, to slumber; 
> nap, from AS.hnoppa, the. nap of cloth; and nap, a card game, short for 
> Napoleon.) AS. neb, beak cognate with snap, gives us the nib of a pen. 
> Nib also meant to take a small bite; its frequentative is nibble. (Snap,

> and snip, as related to nip, earlier knip, to pinch, to bite, remihd us 
> that s--is often prefixed as an intensive: splash from plash; smash from

> mash; squash from quash, scrunch from crunch; scratch is paralleled by 
> G. kratsen and Fr. gratter; whence Eng. grate. Mrs. Gamp, in Dickens' 
> Martin Chuzzlewit, says scroud for crowd.) Knip, later nip pinch, has 
> the frequentative nipple. Also nob, to strike and nob, the head; nobble,

> to stun--though slang nob, whence nobby, is short for nobleman; and nod 
> (OHG. hnoton, to shake)  also slang noddle, the head, corrupted to
noodle.
>      Nick (Du. knik, a nod) as in the nick of time  also (G. knicken 
> ODu. nocke) a slight cut, a notch, also a nock. Nock was first the horn 
> end of a long bow  then the notch for the arrow (L. nux, nuc--, nut, was

> used with the same meaning). Nick is also an abbreviation of the devil, 
> the Old Nick contrariwise St. Nick (Nikolaus) is Santa Claus, patron of 
> travelers. See nickel. Niche, the (originally shell-shaped) recess in a 
> wall, is from It. nicchia, perhaps from LL. nidiculare to nestle, from 
> nidicare, to nest, from nidus, nest--but most probably from It. nicchio,

> shell, shellfish, from L. mytilus mussel. Notch was earlier otch, 
> perhaps by joining of the article, an + otch, whence a notch. Cp. 
> auction. It is probably softened from nock; but also suggested is Fr. 
> osche, from oschier, to cut, from L. absecare, to cut away from L. ab, 
> away, + secare, the present participle of which gives us secant. What we

> gnaw, we cannot ignore; we are what we eat. Which indeed is food for 
> thought.

Thanks for the interesting info.  I never thought about all the kn words 
before.
Brad

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 13 Posts in Topic:
Knick Knack party
Brad Sondahl <bradgarb  2008-05-05 00:18:35 
Re: Knick Knack party
carlbaron <c.b.baronSP  2008-05-05 08:03:19 
Re: Knick Knack party
carlbaron <c.b.baronSP  2008-05-05 09:53:42 
Re: Knick Knack party
Brad Sondahl <bradgarb  2008-05-06 14:54:08 
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Lyle Lofgren <lylelofg  2008-05-06 10:05:19 
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"Malcolm Vidrine&quo  2008-05-05 17:09:07 
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Joel <Fiddlinshim@[EMA  2008-05-05 15:26:29 
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"porchgreg@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-06 08:29:59 
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Lyle Lofgren <lylelofg  2008-05-06 09:45:23 
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Peter Feldmann <peterf  2008-05-11 19:15:24 
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Bud <DucdeSavoie@[EMAI  2008-05-12 04:01:15 
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Bud <DucdeSavoie@[EMAI  2008-05-12 04:06:13 
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