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Trey's electric return, musical differences with The GD, and Phish's probable return.

by "rmrb" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 3, 2008 at 02:03 AM

We all know Phish will be back, but would not 99 or 10 be a better option 
than a huge pressure NYE show.  What's the hurry, The Who waited 7 years, 
and only after 14 and Quad.,  did they really get it back. Maybe we should

let Trey spend it with his family, and the karma will pour like rain from 
their happiness.  Let's just not **** it up.  No ru****ng the stage or 
stubbing down ten friends, or acting like an idiot-yes me included.  I'm
not 
thy brother's keeper, but please think...again me included.



Frank Zappa once said it's not drugs that are good or bad but people
acting 
like assholes that make em' bad.



Different band I know, but when a 35-40 year old in the late 80's gave me 
"advice" at a certain show I would usually listen and not be a punk, OK 
sometimes I was, but in those moments I was mainly wrong, unless the
person 
was mean, but most of you younger folks are good kids, and even though I 
can't even put a number on the amount of shows I've seen since UVM
freshman 
year, you kids are probably bigger fans than me at this point.  Great, I 
want you to have fun and you should get to go to more shows than I should.

I'm supposed to be responsible, I'm ****ing forty, but of course I'm not 
bitter (Actually 39 for one more month) :<).  So the front will come in a 
natural way, don't force it.



In addition, a few more words of advice, real Leary, I mean very good what

you want, a little dab will do ya, and you might want your first
experience 
to be at a beach or natural place with trusted friends and not with a mob 
(mobs are guaranteed to contain idiots like me :<)) at a Phish Stadium 
show-actually strike that as this idiot will never ever attend a Phish 
"stadium" show.  Knowing the money grabbing asshole Paluska is  (How many 
cool west coast venues has he abandon due to bad ticket sales-only to have

the boys say umm no we want to play there, that's where he will push them.



Also shot gunning beer, and behaving like the typical frat boy pushy Pearl

Jam fan is no way to do it.  I feel so sorry for Vender, as PJ fans are
such 
idiots for the most part.  In addition, people wonder why Cobain shot 
himself.  The poor person was taking **** for writing good pop songs. 
That 
scene is whack with want to be punkers mixed with frat boys with the tough

guy attitude (Yes I know many frats are OK and cool-just using a
stereotype 
like an asshole :<)) It was not just the nagging C, and the drugs, but
they 
did play a big part.  Also some people are not made to live a long one. 
Nevertheless, I digress, if you want to shot gun beers knock yourself out,

but mark my words, you will be tired and cranky once the beer is shut off,

and the fights start.  Just be cool to the cops, and security.  Go out of 
your way to let them see you pick up garbage or even a piece and throw it 
away.  Also, and this is key, *If you are not too ****ed up* say hello
real 
sincerely*, they hate that, but it lulls them into a boredom from their 
initial wanna kill freaks mood they start with.  But watch that one, it 
takes a lot of experience for that move not to burn a person.   OK some 
places they will be assholes and nothing can stop it, but bite your
tongue. 
They are just waiting for you, a cool kid who is sick of fear and a very 
very scary Gov. telling him/her what to do as his friends die in the
bloody 
sands of some ****ed up place where idiots think killing themselves  and 
others will bring them hottie virgins.  I just don't get religion, a
higher 
power of course, but why not an electron instead of a white guy with a
beard 
floating around.  I very much doubt Jerry garcia wants to be god :<)



So This chick at Eddie Vedder last night informed me pot was not here
scene 
in a tone as if it made you a loser, although she had smoked it, in *other

countries.*  Who the **** am I genius: the CIA?  I did not offer it to
her, 
don't really even smoke myself anymore, the subject just came up.  I
ignored 
the slight, sensing my IQ much higher and not wanting to be mean.  Then I 
made a comment about the Gov., and she goes ohh but that's just that part
of 
the Gov., like they are not all related with three certain Gov. sponsored 
cor****ations raking money through the fear campaign.  Her boyfriend was a 
Pearl Jam fan, but I could just sense, when I asked him to borrow his $40 
binoculars, then asked if my friend could quickly look, and he said OK but

it stops there, he was a square society climber.  Well Frippa Dippa Kye, 
there are only two more people in the front row of the small thater
balcony, 
I don't know them, so I doubt your Joey Patagonia river binoculars are in 
danger.



Vedder is so outspoken because the majority of his fans are ****ing
idiots. 
Back to the beauts the poverty stricken kids in our country with little
else 
for hope for college $$, or job prospects are fighting.  The only virgin 
Sakbar Mushaddah will see is his own face before he murders people and 
himself.  Too much poverty makes people believe anything.  And if you
cover 
beautiful women with black curtains, it ruins the vibe everywhere and 
anywhere.  Think about it, the parties with the most fights, or the most 
boring ones, no hotties.  Yes it's a ***ist comment, so what, it's ****ing

true.  That's why bachelor parties either have major drugs or strippers, 
because if it was just liquor and 20 Joeys the night ends in a fight, and
it 
does half the time anyway.  Bachelor parties and strip clubs are weird. 
Maybe paying a hottie or two or three etc. to be with you and only you
alone 
in Amsterdam is thinkable or desirable, but watching two chicks strip with

20 or more guys akwardly watching with literally dirty money thrwon at
them. 
Talk about a bad trip.  Weird, unless the place is empty and the chicks
are 
A +.  Still, it  reaks of fear and loathing as a great man used to say.



Speaking of, in this country, lack of funds may make us wait in lines 
overnight with no promise of ****.  With that in mind, and with  14 hours
at 
minimum wage at what almost $130.  Just wait until Monday, and buy a Trey 
ticket for $200.  Yes brokers suck, it's not fair, etc, etc, but c'mon if 
you camped for 14 hours, you are a determined person and am sure you can 
raise the money.  Your time is worth money right?  To me, unless I was 
guaranteed front row Zep reunion tix for my hometown, no way I would wait.

What's that I'm not a real fan, no I'm just not ****ing
stupid-joking-joking 
I hope you get tix. Good luck.  By the way Pollack posters, never got it, 
IMHO, give me a high gloss rock photo of a classic rocker "in the moment" 
any day over those, but hey different strokes...  His posters remind me of
a 
bad dream with me stuck in Mike Gordon's house, and all those Pollack 
characters, me being one probably-yes I can **** on myself- running around

wor****pping the ultimate freak, Jordan or Gordan.  Actually Mike's not 
really my type of guy, but I love his music, his mom is the bomb  in the 
nice category, and he's a great artist.  I just can't picture talking
about 
s****ts with Mike, like I can with Trey, and having Trey really into it,
but 
Trey is cool and actually quite humble deep down.  And any guy who you
can't 
talk s****ts with, would probably hate me.  I'm sure certain opinions in my

post have already raised an eyebrow or two.



Good luck and God/Big Electron Bless.  And believe me, you not buying the 
tix, someone will.  Capitalism is funny like that.



I won't even mention what I paid face for The Two/Who Borgata Halloween
10th 
row center aisle, which took all my tricks.  By the way, younger folk who 
have never seen Pete Townsend play the *electric* guitar, he's 63 and
plays 
like he's 40, don't miss what may be your last op****tunity.  Again, just
my 
dumb advice, but then again, dumb may be not so dumb, wink wink.



In the 80's, I saw a lot of Dead shows, and missed many good other shows 
cause of the focus,  Luckily, Phish came, and I learned my roots all over 
again through a group *my age* whom are deeply influenced by 70's rock,
and 
other music which exists a bit outside The Dead style.  Now The Who and 
Beatles are hands down my favorite to listen to, with Lennon my favorite. 
I 
don't rank Garcia/Dead or Trey/Phish, because it is too close to my soul
and 
my life experiences.  Also this has always bugged me, The Dead and Phish
are 
a bit similar, but c'mon, Trey and Jerry are so different in so many ways
on 
the guitar.  Moreover, it's so not fair to Trey to compare him to Garcia. 
Christ Garcia is Trey's icon; he even said it on Charlie Rose.  You could 
tell the way his face lit up (Moesha me Jerry Moesha me Trey, Moesha me 
straight, Moesha me gay-cue the pyscho running onstage at 2001 Red 
Rocks--sick sick show, not 96 Phish 4 pac, but sick--only to stare at Trey

who looked at the kid with a glance that said I will break this Languadoc 
over your head, then the kid realizing his life was about to suck really 
bad,  gives the crowd the finger.  Yup good way to convince Trey to get 
Phish back, ****ing please)



This comparing ****, I know I'm off topic, is stupid.  But I'll be stupid 
because after all it's a NG.  OK both are pickers, classic lead plaers, 
but...Just as Jerry doesn't bust out Blister in the sun or Mirror in the 
bathroom in the midst of say Brown eyed Women, or doesn't bust out 100
types 
of funk in one song like Mikes 98 George, Trey is no ballad supreme
either. 
Although both have done those type of things so all generalizations are 
wrong, as I remember a few shows when a ballad was the song of the night
at 
a Phish show, just was a rare occurrence, or where the Dead sandwiched 
Playin' with Uncle John's or the like or how funky is Dancin' in the late 
70's? so yes they both can do everything, but You know when The Dead
opened 
with a 20 minute Scarlet-Fire with Jer on Trumpeter to start a 2nd set, it

was a sick show, or when Phish did like 7 songs in the style of not
stopping 
segueing it into one biggie to start a 2nd set, epic night either way. 
The 
biggest difference is Trey is at his best when piecing together 4-5 minute

idea bursts into epic jams, where Jer has the style of layering and
building 
in a more subtle way.  Take said S>F at Hamilton 90' vs. say 98' Barcelona

Mule or 98' Worcester Chalkdust/Wipeout as examples.  Just IMHO of course.

Then there's the heavy metal turn out the lights jam from wolfman's in 
Worcester 97, althogugh some eerie Vicims could be compared but to me
pples 
and oranges, and that is a beautiful thing.  I defended Trey once on the 
Dead NG-saying he loved Jer, and they were all over me, funny how the main

person is now a good friend, as I knew he was having fun at my expense,
it's 
easy when you are a regular to flame a person, and it's only a NG.  Plus, 
there were idiots commenting I know have never ever been to a show of any 
kind, you can just tell as real Dead/Phish Heads are usually too lazy for 
long flame wars :<).



So please, whether November or next summer or a 2010 shed tour, don't rush

the front, nothing gets security more pissed than kids ru****ng the front, 
plus it ruins it for people with the actual seats.  Patience if you are 
young.  This band will play ten more years if all are healthy at the very 
least, and if you want to be close, you will have plenty of chances from
GA 
at The George to God knows where.  Or to waiting out a broker, and getting
a 
10th row ticket for, oh my God $20 over face, or even a Ticketmaster
single. 
Please, ticketmaster is a scam-but there are tricks-, and unless mail
order 
hooks you, brokers must be dealt with if you want front five rows-it's a 
****y system.  I don't know at 16-18, I was just happy to be in a show,
25 
rows off Phil's side, or even way back with plenty of room at Foxborough 
with all my friends.  I do think the 10 -20 show run at a place is a great

idea....Hawaii :<)...no even NY.  Although has to be a place either remote

enough or big enough to not have it become bad press, ie 96 Jazzfest or
RR's 
where the press used the excuse of Jerry's death to make up a story of a 
fairly different musical band with the one huge similarity of following 
fans, but many bands have that.  I do think the media has **** all over 
Phish and Trey many times, but they have to many other great rock bands. 
With a huge multi show run, everyone will get at least one chance to be 
close, if you are smart.  And I'm all for a youngster getting close and 
being happy.  They deserve it, lots of pressure nowadays, and I thought my

generation had it rough.  Technology is growing faster than morality (My 
definition strays a bit from the religious nuts as I think morality equals

ordinary goodness like privacy and basic rights and being a good person). 
Technology in the wrong hands or those in fear of losing power is our 
biggest problem.  Although it's been a struggle for years.  John Adams
once 
yelled at Alexander Hamilton, "You desire empire sir."  Ironically, a guy
I 
was chosen to write my histoty thesis in HS, a nut named Aaron Burr, shot 
the asshole.  Karma is a 100% definite entity people.



Whatever,  I am not thy brother's keeper.  However, riots and stupid/bad
fan 
behavior equal a band not wanting to play.  Look at the history, started 
with the Beatles who loved playing live, but HATED the chaos.  How many 
times has the pattern  repeated itself?



Now if the band is young, like under 25, it's a club, I say anything goes,

or if you can go wild and not bump into someone repeatedly, go for it.  A 
few bumps is cool, hell it's a concert.  Plus, having to sit is not fair,
so 
I am not a complete fogie, I just want you younger folk to enjoy it, and 
have it last.  You deserve it, and being a kid is kinda ****y with all
the 
divorce nowadays, although living with parents that hate each other is
also 
a shrink's bread and butter.  Yes video games (I do have a wii but only 
played it once, but have all the **** and I'll get into it, but I'm 40-too

much other **** to worry about). and the internet are cool, but rock n
roll 
is suffering.



All you 17 year old kids have fun, see Phish as much as you can, just be 
smart, smarter than I was when I was a no good punk kid:<).  And if an
older 
prson *suggests* something, don't be a tough guy, too many of those.  Plus

you will get your ass handed to you eventually, even Tyson lost and many 
times after the first shock..  Hell even Ali lost.  Whatever, this is no 
manual, just want to help, as I feel sorry for all the rules kids need to
be 
mindful of now, it's like the 50's.  Just remember, drugs are fun, but not

the answer to happiness over the long haul.  Good luck, and if I can buy
an 
18 year old a beer at a show damn straight I would, if he seemed nice and 
under control.   IF he can die for oil, he can drink the one legal drug
not 
banned.  Why, well coke was banned due to planted fears by southern
racists 
about blacks and white women in the early 20th century.  Weed was made 
illegal to control Mexicans in the same era.  Opium was made illegal, 
because it probably should be, but also because it gave them excuses to 
harass Chinese immigrants.



Ok, my soliloquy is at its end, flame or agree, matters not as it's just a

****ing news group, to use something the late George Carlin might say.



Actually I will say one last thing, having Phish back won't suck. 
Although 
it looked like Favre was a lock to return, and now...but I doubt someone 
will offer Trey 20 million not to play with Phish.  On the contrary, yes
he 
loves those guys, but on the practical side none of us like to consider as

it affects our escapism, last year was a lean one for Trey's coffers, he's

got a family he loves, and you know Paluska is just promising him
billions. 
4 to 1 they play a summer tour 99.  As for The Trey Band, Russ and Tony
are 
cool, let them lay the groove, and have Trey find his way back to Electric

Ladyland so to speak.  Finally, Dave Mathews, Trey I know DM's got good 
drugs and smoking betties, but that's OVER now.  Open up with

I Can See Clearly Now on lucky 7 in the birthplace of The Dodgers as well
as 
many a good person, and as JB sings in Chainsaw City, no bad vibes.

Peace and happiness to you all, and to all good night.  Sorry trying to be
a 
history teacher, and I need to keep my chops up.  Yes I know, long way to 
go....Thanks I think.
 




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