I enjoyed listening to the williamsburg whatever show but IMO it doesn't
sound like Trey is ready <able> to play <non acoustic> Phish music just
yet.
"rmrb" <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> We all know Phish will be back, but would not 99 or 10 be a better
option
> than a huge pressure NYE show. What's the hurry, The Who waited 7
years,
> and only after 14 and Quad., did they really get it back. Maybe we
should
> let Trey spend it with his family, and the karma will pour like rain
from
> their happiness. Let's just not **** it up. No ru****ng the stage or
> stubbing down ten friends, or acting like an idiot-yes me included. I'm
> not thy brother's keeper, but please think...again me included.
>
>
>
> Frank Zappa once said it's not drugs that are good or bad but people
> acting like assholes that make em' bad.
>
>
>
> Different band I know, but when a 35-40 year old in the late 80's gave
me
> "advice" at a certain show I would usually listen and not be a punk, OK
> sometimes I was, but in those moments I was mainly wrong, unless the
> person was mean, but most of you younger folks are good kids, and even
> though I can't even put a number on the amount of shows I've seen since
> UVM freshman year, you kids are probably bigger fans than me at this
> point. Great, I want you to have fun and you should get to go to more
> shows than I should. I'm supposed to be responsible, I'm ****ing forty,
> but of course I'm not bitter (Actually 39 for one more month) :<). So
the
> front will come in a natural way, don't force it.
>
>
>
> In addition, a few more words of advice, real Leary, I mean very good
what
> you want, a little dab will do ya, and you might want your first
> experience to be at a beach or natural place with trusted friends and
not
> with a mob (mobs are guaranteed to contain idiots like me :<)) at a
Phish
> Stadium show-actually strike that as this idiot will never ever attend a
> Phish "stadium" show. Knowing the money grabbing asshole Paluska is
(How
> many cool west coast venues has he abandon due to bad ticket sales-only
to
> have the boys say umm no we want to play there, that's where he will
push
> them.
>
>
>
> Also shot gunning beer, and behaving like the typical frat boy pushy
Pearl
> Jam fan is no way to do it. I feel so sorry for Vender, as PJ fans are
> such idiots for the most part. In addition, people wonder why Cobain
shot
> himself. The poor person was taking **** for writing good pop songs.
> That scene is whack with want to be punkers mixed with frat boys with
the
> tough guy attitude (Yes I know many frats are OK and cool-just using a
> stereotype like an asshole :<)) It was not just the nagging C, and the
> drugs, but they did play a big part. Also some people are not made to
> live a long one. Nevertheless, I digress, if you want to shot gun beers
> knock yourself out, but mark my words, you will be tired and cranky once
> the beer is shut off, and the fights start. Just be cool to the cops,
and
> security. Go out of your way to let them see you pick up garbage or
even
> a piece and throw it away. Also, and this is key, *If you are not too
> ****ed up* say hello real sincerely*, they hate that, but it lulls them
> into a boredom from their initial wanna kill freaks mood they start
with.
> But watch that one, it takes a lot of experience for that move not to
burn
> a person. OK some places they will be assholes and nothing can stop
it,
> but bite your tongue. They are just waiting for you, a cool kid who is
> sick of fear and a very very scary Gov. telling him/her what to do as
his
> friends die in the bloody sands of some ****ed up place where idiots
think
> killing themselves and others will bring them hottie virgins. I just
> don't get religion, a higher power of course, but why not an electron
> instead of a white guy with a beard floating around. I very much doubt
> Jerry garcia wants to be god :<)
>
>
>
> So This chick at Eddie Vedder last night informed me pot was not here
> scene in a tone as if it made you a loser, although she had smoked it,
in
> *other countries.* Who the **** am I genius: the CIA? I did not offer
it
> to her, don't really even smoke myself anymore, the subject just came
up.
> I ignored the slight, sensing my IQ much higher and not wanting to be
> mean. Then I made a comment about the Gov., and she goes ohh but that's
> just that part of the Gov., like they are not all related with three
> certain Gov. sponsored cor****ations raking money through the fear
> campaign. Her boyfriend was a Pearl Jam fan, but I could just sense,
when
> I asked him to borrow his $40 binoculars, then asked if my friend could
> quickly look, and he said OK but it stops there, he was a square society
> climber. Well Frippa Dippa Kye, there are only two more people in the
> front row of the small thater balcony, I don't know them, so I doubt
your
> Joey Patagonia river binoculars are in danger.
>
>
>
> Vedder is so outspoken because the majority of his fans are ****ing
> idiots. Back to the beauts the poverty stricken kids in our country with
> little else for hope for college $$, or job prospects are fighting. The
> only virgin Sakbar Mushaddah will see is his own face before he murders
> people and himself. Too much poverty makes people believe anything.
And
> if you cover beautiful women with black curtains, it ruins the vibe
> everywhere and anywhere. Think about it, the parties with the most
> fights, or the most boring ones, no hotties. Yes it's a ***ist comment,
> so what, it's ****ing true. That's why bachelor parties either have
major
> drugs or strippers, because if it was just liquor and 20 Joeys the night
> ends in a fight, and it does half the time anyway. Bachelor parties and
> strip clubs are weird. Maybe paying a hottie or two or three etc. to be
> with you and only you alone in Amsterdam is thinkable or desirable, but
> watching two chicks strip with 20 or more guys akwardly watching with
> literally dirty money thrwon at them. Talk about a bad trip. Weird,
> unless the place is empty and the chicks are A +. Still, it reaks of
> fear and loathing as a great man used to say.
>
>
>
> Speaking of, in this country, lack of funds may make us wait in lines
> overnight with no promise of ****. With that in mind, and with 14
hours
> at minimum wage at what almost $130. Just wait until Monday, and buy a
> Trey ticket for $200. Yes brokers suck, it's not fair, etc, etc, but
> c'mon if you camped for 14 hours, you are a determined person and am
sure
> you can raise the money. Your time is worth money right? To me, unless
I
> was guaranteed front row Zep reunion tix for my hometown, no way I would
> wait. What's that I'm not a real fan, no I'm just not ****ing
> stupid-joking-joking I hope you get tix. Good luck. By the way Pollack
> posters, never got it, IMHO, give me a high gloss rock photo of a
classic
> rocker "in the moment" any day over those, but hey different strokes...
> His posters remind me of a bad dream with me stuck in Mike Gordon's
house,
> and all those Pollack characters, me being one probably-yes I can ****
on
> myself- running around wor****pping the ultimate freak, Jordan or Gordan.
> Actually Mike's not really my type of guy, but I love his music, his mom
> is the bomb in the nice category, and he's a great artist. I just
can't
> picture talking about s****ts with Mike, like I can with Trey, and having
> Trey really into it, but Trey is cool and actually quite humble deep
down.
> And any guy who you can't talk s****ts with, would probably hate me. I'm
> sure certain opinions in my post have already raised an eyebrow or two.
>
>
>
> Good luck and God/Big Electron Bless. And believe me, you not buying
the
> tix, someone will. Capitalism is funny like that.
>
>
>
> I won't even mention what I paid face for The Two/Who Borgata Halloween
> 10th row center aisle, which took all my tricks. By the way, younger
folk
> who have never seen Pete Townsend play the *electric* guitar, he's 63
and
> plays like he's 40, don't miss what may be your last op****tunity.
Again,
> just my dumb advice, but then again, dumb may be not so dumb, wink wink.
>
>
>
> In the 80's, I saw a lot of Dead shows, and missed many good other shows
> cause of the focus, Luckily, Phish came, and I learned my roots all
over
> again through a group *my age* whom are deeply influenced by 70's rock,
> and other music which exists a bit outside The Dead style. Now The Who
> and Beatles are hands down my favorite to listen to, with Lennon my
> favorite. I don't rank Garcia/Dead or Trey/Phish, because it is too
close
> to my soul and my life experiences. Also this has always bugged me, The
> Dead and Phish are a bit similar, but c'mon, Trey and Jerry are so
> different in so many ways on the guitar. Moreover, it's so not fair to
> Trey to compare him to Garcia. Christ Garcia is Trey's icon; he even
said
> it on Charlie Rose. You could tell the way his face lit up (Moesha me
> Jerry Moesha me Trey, Moesha me straight, Moesha me gay-cue the pyscho
> running onstage at 2001 Red Rocks--sick sick show, not 96 Phish 4 pac,
but
> sick--only to stare at Trey who looked at the kid with a glance that
said
> I will break this Languadoc over your head, then the kid realizing his
> life was about to suck really bad, gives the crowd the finger. Yup
good
> way to convince Trey to get Phish back, ****ing please)
>
>
>
> This comparing ****, I know I'm off topic, is stupid. But I'll be
stupid
> because after all it's a NG. OK both are pickers, classic lead plaers,
> but...Just as Jerry doesn't bust out Blister in the sun or Mirror in the
> bathroom in the midst of say Brown eyed Women, or doesn't bust out 100
> types of funk in one song like Mikes 98 George, Trey is no ballad
supreme
> either. Although both have done those type of things so all
> generalizations are wrong, as I remember a few shows when a ballad was
the
> song of the night at a Phish show, just was a rare occurrence, or where
> the Dead sandwiched Playin' with Uncle John's or the like or how funky
is
> Dancin' in the late 70's? so yes they both can do everything, but You
know
> when The Dead opened with a 20 minute Scarlet-Fire with Jer on Trumpeter
> to start a 2nd set, it was a sick show, or when Phish did like 7 songs
in
> the style of not stopping segueing it into one biggie to start a 2nd
set,
> epic night either way. The biggest difference is Trey is at his best
when
> piecing together 4-5 minute idea bursts into epic jams, where Jer has
the
> style of layering and building in a more subtle way. Take said S>F at
> Hamilton 90' vs. say 98' Barcelona Mule or 98' Worcester
Chalkdust/Wipeout
> as examples. Just IMHO of course. Then there's the heavy metal turn out
> the lights jam from wolfman's in Worcester 97, althogugh some eerie
Vicims
> could be compared but to me pples and oranges, and that is a beautiful
> thing. I defended Trey once on the Dead NG-saying he loved Jer, and
they
> were all over me, funny how the main person is now a good friend, as I
> knew he was having fun at my expense, it's easy when you are a regular
to
> flame a person, and it's only a NG. Plus, there were idiots commenting
I
> know have never ever been to a show of any kind, you can just tell as
real
> Dead/Phish Heads are usually too lazy for long flame wars :<).
>
>
>
> So please, whether November or next summer or a 2010 shed tour, don't
rush
> the front, nothing gets security more pissed than kids ru****ng the
front,
> plus it ruins it for people with the actual seats. Patience if you are
> young. This band will play ten more years if all are healthy at the
very
> least, and if you want to be close, you will have plenty of chances from
> GA at The George to God knows where. Or to waiting out a broker, and
> getting a 10th row ticket for, oh my God $20 over face, or even a
> Ticketmaster single. Please, ticketmaster is a scam-but there are
tricks-,
> and unless mail order hooks you, brokers must be dealt with if you want
> front five rows-it's a ****y system. I don't know at 16-18, I was just
> happy to be in a show, 25 rows off Phil's side, or even way back with
> plenty of room at Foxborough with all my friends. I do think the 10 -20
> show run at a place is a great idea....Hawaii :<)...no even NY.
Although
> has to be a place either remote enough or big enough to not have it
become
> bad press, ie 96 Jazzfest or RR's where the press used the excuse of
> Jerry's death to make up a story of a fairly different musical band with
> the one huge similarity of following fans, but many bands have that. I
do
> think the media has **** all over Phish and Trey many times, but they
have
> to many other great rock bands. With a huge multi show run, everyone
will
> get at least one chance to be close, if you are smart. And I'm all for
a
> youngster getting close and being happy. They deserve it, lots of
> pressure nowadays, and I thought my generation had it rough. Technology
> is growing faster than morality (My definition strays a bit from the
> religious nuts as I think morality equals ordinary goodness like privacy
> and basic rights and being a good person). Technology in the wrong hands
> or those in fear of losing power is our biggest problem. Although it's
> been a struggle for years. John Adams once yelled at Alexander
Hamilton,
> "You desire empire sir." Ironically, a guy I was chosen to write my
> histoty thesis in HS, a nut named Aaron Burr, shot the asshole. Karma
is
> a 100% definite entity people.
>
>
>
> Whatever, I am not thy brother's keeper. However, riots and stupid/bad
> fan behavior equal a band not wanting to play. Look at the history,
> started with the Beatles who loved playing live, but HATED the chaos.
How
> many times has the pattern repeated itself?
>
>
>
> Now if the band is young, like under 25, it's a club, I say anything
goes,
> or if you can go wild and not bump into someone repeatedly, go for it.
A
> few bumps is cool, hell it's a concert. Plus, having to sit is not
fair,
> so I am not a complete fogie, I just want you younger folk to enjoy it,
> and have it last. You deserve it, and being a kid is kinda ****y with
> all the divorce nowadays, although living with parents that hate each
> other is also a shrink's bread and butter. Yes video games (I do have a
> wii but only played it once, but have all the **** and I'll get into it,
> but I'm 40-too much other **** to worry about). and the internet are
cool,
> but rock n roll is suffering.
>
>
>
> All you 17 year old kids have fun, see Phish as much as you can, just be
> smart, smarter than I was when I was a no good punk kid:<). And if an
> older prson *suggests* something, don't be a tough guy, too many of
those.
> Plus you will get your ass handed to you eventually, even Tyson lost and
> many times after the first shock.. Hell even Ali lost. Whatever, this
is
> no manual, just want to help, as I feel sorry for all the rules kids
need
> to be mindful of now, it's like the 50's. Just remember, drugs are fun,
> but not the answer to happiness over the long haul. Good luck, and if I
> can buy an 18 year old a beer at a show damn straight I would, if he
> seemed nice and under control. IF he can die for oil, he can drink the
> one legal drug not banned. Why, well coke was banned due to planted
fears
> by southern racists about blacks and white women in the early 20th
> century. Weed was made illegal to control Mexicans in the same era.
> Opium was made illegal, because it probably should be, but also because
it
> gave them excuses to harass Chinese immigrants.
>
>
>
> Ok, my soliloquy is at its end, flame or agree, matters not as it's just
a
> ****ing news group, to use something the late George Carlin might say.
>
>
>
> Actually I will say one last thing, having Phish back won't suck.
> Although it looked like Favre was a lock to return, and now...but I
doubt
> someone will offer Trey 20 million not to play with Phish. On the
> contrary, yes he loves those guys, but on the practical side none of us
> like to consider as it affects our escapism, last year was a lean one
for
> Trey's coffers, he's got a family he loves, and you know Paluska is just
> promising him billions. 4 to 1 they play a summer tour 99. As for The
> Trey Band, Russ and Tony are cool, let them lay the groove, and have
Trey
> find his way back to Electric Ladyland so to speak. Finally, Dave
> Mathews, Trey I know DM's got good drugs and smoking betties, but that's
> OVER now. Open up with
>
> I Can See Clearly Now on lucky 7 in the birthplace of The Dodgers as
well
> as many a good person, and as JB sings in Chainsaw City, no bad vibes.
>
> Peace and happiness to you all, and to all good night. Sorry trying to
be
> a history teacher, and I need to keep my chops up. Yes I know, long way
> to go....Thanks I think.
>
>
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