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Re: What's the relation****p between scales and chords?

by "Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 26, 2008 at 04:55 PM

"Neil" <nhmiller@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:9b2bf7f8-eef5-4495-b9e0-467d683d7a99@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Feb 26, 2:57 am, Dylan <DDawso...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Another notation, that can be very helpful in understanding how music
> is constructed, uses Roman
> Numerals from I to VII. The Roman Numerals indicate the step of the
> scale from which you start
> playing every other note to form the Triad, and add the same Extension
> that regular chord symbols
> use. So if the music is presently in the key of C ...
> instead of writing Cmaj7 you would write Imaj7
>

Neil, you've missed an im****tant distinction between conventional lead
sheet 
(L.S.) chord symbols and Roman Numeral symbols.  L.S. symbols are 
descriptive only - that is, they simply indicate what pitch cl***** are 
present and which is the root.  Roman Numerals, on the other hand indicate

the function of a chord within a key.  If your book doesn't differentiate 
between the two, you run the risk of seriously confusing the student who 
wishes to go further than simply labelling chords.

(Snip)
> Using the Numeral system ...
> instead of writing Dm7 you would write IIm7
> This system requires that you notate or are aware of the
> chords' associated scale because the system is dependent
> on the particular key the music is presently in.

Using II for supertonic hasn't been done for nearly forty years.  The
lower 
case ii is used for a minor supertonic and iio (the o should be
superscript) 
for a diminished supertonic.  These are known as qualitative Roman
Numerals 
as they indicate chord quality as well as scale degree root, and are 
commonly used by those professional musicians who have a need for
analytical 
chord symbols.

Have you examined any of current classical theory texts such as those by 
Robert Gauldin; Benjamin, Horvit & Nelson; Kostka & Payne, etc.?

Tom K.
 




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What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 02:57:23 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 03:26:11 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 03:47:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:09:44 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 05:19:48 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:01:40 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 12:32:51 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 21:10:48 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 16:55:14 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:26:56 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 18:51:55 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:41:39 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-28 10:47:40 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-28 10:13:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:55:30 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:25:30 
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