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Re: What's the relation****p between scales and chords?

by Joey Goldstein <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 27, 2008 at 12:13 PM

LJS wrote:
> On Feb 26, 5:52 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Tom K. wrote:
>>> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:fq2781$pul$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Tom K. wrote:
>>>>> Using II for supertonic hasn't been done for nearly forty years.
>>>> On the contrary. Most jazz harmony books use upper case Roman
numerals for
>>>> all chords.
>>>> We don't write simply "ii" or "ii7". We write "IIm" and/or "IIm7".
>>> Really?  Seems like an out of round re-invention of the wheel to me.
>>> Tom K.
>> Just used to add clarity.
>>
>> --
>> Joey Goldstein
>> <http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
>> <http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
>> joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
> 
> how so? if the ii means minor then one might think that the 'm' might
> refer to the extention  as in a Vm7 
( is that the way to write a minor
> dominant or is is a dominant 7th?  maybe the use of VM(-7)(-9) would
> clear up the confusion caused by a conventional  V-9 symbol.
> LJS

To a novice "ii" might mean anything.
To a novice already used to reading chord symbols "IIm" is easy to grasp.
"Vm7" obviously would be a min7 chord with root on the dominant of the
key.



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What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 02:57:23 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 03:26:11 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 03:47:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:09:44 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 05:19:48 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:01:40 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 12:32:51 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 21:10:48 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 16:55:14 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:26:56 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 18:51:55 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:52:56 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-27 11:20:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:05:21 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 04:41:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 05:13:59 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:39:50 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-27 13:10:36 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:10:52 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:22:24 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:27:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:44:44 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:13:49 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 09:11:52 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 11:04:03 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 10:04:14 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-02-27 19:58:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:39:32 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:37:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 11:01:52 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:38:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:47:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:51:12 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:27:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 20:08:43 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:41:39 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:08:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:55:07 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-28 10:47:40 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-28 10:13:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:55:30 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 00:00:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 00:55:47 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:25:30 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:13:09 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 22:35:21 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:39:05 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-03-02 21:19:49 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-02 18:20:18 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-01 17:32:58 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:48:03 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:06:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:57:45 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:28:44 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-28 01:04:42 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:46:07 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:29:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:38:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 05:11:26 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 14:13:49 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 12:59:00 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 08:28:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:46:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:05:15 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:08:11 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:09:10 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:54:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:13:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:20:20 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:33:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 06:59:23 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:43:30 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:13:18 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:00:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 07:50:54 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 08:39:32 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:45:38 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:17:38 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:12:49 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 08:31:59 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 17:18:12 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 06:36:59 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 18:46:38 
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