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Re: More questions on scales

by "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 27, 2008 at 09:08 PM

"> Pete wrote:
>> Why is the tonic of the "all white notes" major scale "C" and not "A"?
>> As far as I understand it, the diatonic scale derives (probably both)
>> from the logic of harmonics, and the circle of fifths, so that pattern
>> is fairly basic to our Western music. So, given that it exists, and it
>> has a tonic, why didn't we label the scale ABCDEFG(A), with C-D and G-A
>> being the semitones?  How did a minor scale come to be ABCDEFG?  (A
minor
>> third desn't fit into the circle of fifths, does it?)

Pete, sorry to snip Hans' response, but to back up here:

The Greeks used letter names like Alpha Beta, Chi, and so on for their 
notes. The lowest note was Gamma, and the highest was Ut, and that is
where 
we get the word "Gamut" - when something "runs the Gamut" it is akin to 
running the entire length of the scale.

The Greeks used a modal system where "C Major" or "A minor" were not 
im****tant factors. They basically just had some tonoi (scales) and over
time 
some became more favored than others. By the time the middle ages rolls 
around, the ecclesiastical composers favored 8 modes, of which Dorian is
the 
first, or what they called Protus. WHY it's the first one, I'm not sure.
But 
the two missing modes are Ionian and Aeolian, or Major and minor. So they 
had D-d modes, and E-e modes, etc. It wasn't until later that they started

using C-c and A-a modes. And it wasn't until later still that composers
sort 
of abandoned, or "absorbed" all 6 modes into a bipartite system - what we 
end up calling Major/minor (by the Baroque period)

Now, your question has to do with something that's happened along the way 
since then - we've become "C centric". It's really got largely to do with 
teaching practices. But somehow, people place extra prominence on "the 
natural" scale - one that uses the white notes of the piano, or, in terms
of 
notation, the plain, unaltered notes on the staff. Realistically, in a 
Major/minor system, C Major is no more im****tant than A Major, and a minor

no more than c minor. The fact that two keys, a minor and C major happen
to 
have no accidentals in their ket signature is just a happenstance of the 
system. Every other pair of keys shares the exact same similarity - they 
have a specific number of accidentals in the key sig, and they are the
only 
pair with that key sig.

But from an educational standpoint, it's easier to deal with the key of C.

How many piano student's first piece is "I am C"!!!

As a guitar teacher, I found it counterproductive to teach notes starting 
with C. I started with A on the A string. And how I wish guitar read bass 
clef because A would be the note in the first space then!

Best,
Steve
 




 31 Posts in Topic:
More questions on scales
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-25 01:28:38 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-25 11:14:14 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-25 10:49:56 
Re: More questions on scales
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-25 05:03:11 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-25 15:20:43 
Re: More questions on scales
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-02-25 18:39:51 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-25 19:25:21 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-25 14:26:12 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-25 16:33:32 
Re: More questions on scales
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-25 08:01:46 
Re: More questions on scales
neverland@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 17:57:11 
Re: More questions on scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 21:41:47 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-27 09:08:51 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-27 10:58:36 
Re: More questions on scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-27 21:08:53 
Re: More questions on scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-27 21:21:54 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-28 10:37:05 
Re: More questions on scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:51:45 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-28 23:46:39 
Re: More questions on scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-27 20:54:34 
Re: More questions on scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-25 11:48:38 
Re: More questions on scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-25 12:11:28 
Re: More questions on scales
Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-25 22:48:08 
Re: More questions on scales
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 02:00:31 
Re: More questions on scales
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-26 12:07:14 
Re: More questions on scales
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 03:36:25 
Re: More questions on scales
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 04:05:57 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-27 09:22:37 
Re: More questions on scales
"David Webber"   2008-02-27 15:06:05 
Re: More questions on scales
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:49:08 
Re: More questions on scales
Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 21:42:01 

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