Re: What's the relation****p between scales and chords?

I made a real breakthrough last night.

I was reading some harmonica related theory at
http://www.jt30.com/jt30page/theory/bluenotes.html
when I discovered,
for the first time, how to determine the note for the flattened third,
seventh, and fifth in twelve bar blues.

Is it easier then to think of notes first as Roman Numerals and then
if required as A,Bb,B etc.?

Crossharp (G)
        VIIb
I        Fb
IV      Bb
V      Fb

Regards
Dylan

On Feb 28, 1:08=A0am, Joey Goldstein <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Joey Goldstein wrote:
>
> > In the jazz community, when analyzing chord progressions that are to
be
> > used by jazz improvisers, things are usually the way I've said they
are.=

> > I.e. We tend to use upper case Roman numerals and spell out the chord
> > quality in our analyses of chord progressions. Spend some more time in
> > the jazz community maybe?
>
> Preface that paragraph above with "In my experience...."
>
> Lots of jazz players I've associated with have also used lower case
> Roman numerals, sometimes with qualifiers (eg. "iim" vs "ii") and
without.=

> Almost all schooled jazz musicians have taken a legit Tonal harmony
> course in school *in addition to* their jazz harmony courses. So they
> all understand the norms of classical Tonal analysis techniques.
>
> But in general, in my experience, most jazz musicians prefer to use
> upper case Roman numerals with qualifiers, eg "IIm".
>
> If you don't want to do it that way, fine. Don't do it that way.
>
> Meanwhile, did someone up-thread say that Piston used upper case RN?
> Did he write out chord quality too? Or was the student expected to
> interpret "II" as being a minor chord based on the active key?
>
> My main exposure to classical Romantic era harmony was the Delamont
> books. And I was surprised to find out later that his labels were non
> standard. He used upper RN for all primary chords in both major and
> minor keys. LC for everything else, including non-primary major chords
> within minor keys.
> Eg.
> In C major
> I ii iii IV V vi viidim
> In C minor
> Im iidim biii IVm V bvi viidim
> (Note: He used the small superscripted circle for dim. I just can't
> remember how to type it right now.)
>
> At the time I was reading his books, it was all clear to me.
> But nowadays it seems really convoluted and confusing. I know he was
> trying to impress upon the student the im****tance of the primary chords,
> but still.
> Thankfully, there are many other gems within his pages.
>
> So, things don't seem to be nearly as standardized as I think LJS would
> like them to be. Perhaps he could start his own Harmony Standards
Council.=

>
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