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Re: What's the relation****p between scales and chords?

by "David Webber" <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 29, 2008 at 08:25 AM

"Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Not necessarily. VM7 is simply what it is - a Major 7th chord built on 
> scale degree 5 - what could be simpler!...

So the argument is purely over whether we write ii or IIm for a minor
triad. 
I can live with either.

Mind you, I have a publication where Bbdim is written Bv  (songs by one of

my favourite composers - Friedrich Hollaender) and I can live with that
too.

I prefer maj7 or ^7  or just ^ (where ^=triangle) for the major 7th.     I

think strangely it is to do with case sensitivity, even though I am happy 
with ii or IIm.     At which point, a sudden thought arises:   the
stylised 
music and text fonts beloved of so many jazz publications do not
distinguish 
well between upper and lower case.    Therefore, in such fonts, IIm would
be 
preferred to ii and Vmaj7 to VM7.   I note this simply as an observation, 
not as any compelling form of reason, as how you want to say something 
should not really depend on the font you want to use :-)

>.... I do have to admit, I do like not having to think whether the 
>McDonalds' fries are going to taste as nasty good in California as they
do 
>in New York!

I solved that one long ago.  Since my kids were old enough to get bored
with 
McDonalds (I think they were about 5) and no longer demanded to go there,
I 
have found no reason to do so.    In California, New York  (have to admit 
I've not yet been there - does Boston count?), or anywhere else.   And of 
course in New Orleans (which I haven't seen post Katrina, but which was my

favourite US city of the few I've visited) one can eat Cajun, so I expect 
McDonalds to be making a big loss there :-)

> I think using different analysis methods if obviously the way to go - 
> using Functional analysis on Palestrina, despite the fact that we can
name 
> those chords, isn't very informative (or it's not informative in the
same 
> way it would be for a Mozart work).

Yes, but I don't see switching between ii and IIm as enormously
mind-bending 
by comparison :-)

Dave
-- 
David Webber
Author of 'Mozart the Music Processor'
http://www.mozart.co.uk
For discussion/sup****t see
http://www.mozart.co.uk/mozartists/mailinglist.htm
 




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What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 02:57:23 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 03:26:11 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 03:47:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:09:44 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 05:19:48 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:01:40 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 12:32:51 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 21:10:48 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 16:55:14 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:26:56 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 18:51:55 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:52:56 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-27 11:20:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:05:21 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 04:41:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 05:13:59 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:39:50 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-27 13:10:36 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:10:52 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:22:24 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:27:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:44:44 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:13:49 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 09:11:52 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 11:04:03 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 10:04:14 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-02-27 19:58:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:39:32 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:37:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 11:01:52 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:38:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:47:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:51:12 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:27:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 20:08:43 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:41:39 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:08:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:55:07 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-28 10:47:40 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-28 10:13:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:55:30 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 00:00:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 00:55:47 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:25:30 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:13:09 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-29 15:04:25 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 22:35:21 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:39:05 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:11:21 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-03-02 21:19:49 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-02 18:20:18 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-03 10:23:03 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 19:32:55 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-01 08:28:52 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-01 11:42:43 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-01 17:32:58 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-01 12:57:07 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-03-02 03:22:41 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:50:51 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:22:47 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:20:31 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 18:38:20 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 18:36:46 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 17:41:36 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:48:03 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:06:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:57:45 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:28:44 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-28 01:04:42 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:46:07 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:29:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:38:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 05:11:26 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 14:13:49 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 12:59:00 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 12:57:34 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 08:28:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 09:35:00 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 23:53:20 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 19:47:50 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:46:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:05:15 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:08:11 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-29 03:07:41 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:58:27 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:09:10 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 17:19:40 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 21:42:38 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:54:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:13:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:20:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:27:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:32:35 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:33:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 06:59:23 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:43:30 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:13:18 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:00:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 07:50:54 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 08:39:32 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:45:38 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:17:38 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:12:49 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 08:31:59 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 21:30:40 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 22:27:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 17:18:12 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 06:36:59 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 18:46:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 10:31:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 10:46:46 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:22:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:50:59 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:28:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:58:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 22:34:12 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 00:49:44 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-05 14:52:13 
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