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Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relation****p between scales and chords?)

by "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 4, 2008 at 06:36 PM

"Joey Goldstein" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:fqfdpd$nlb$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Steve Latham wrote:
>> "Joey Goldstein" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>> news:fqenp9$8iq$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> Both are used. Both are acceptable.
>>> I prefer E9#5, E9(#5), E7#5(9), or E7(#5)(9).
>>> The 9 in the last 2 would be superscripted above the #5.
>>>
>>> I'm not fond of E+7 or E+9, but I know what they mean and what to play

>>> when I see them. But it's hard to say why i don't like them.
>>> Probably because I've encountered far too many kids who get it in
their 
>>> heads somehow that "+" means major.
>>
>>
>> Joey, is it safe to say (though I understand it can be inconsistent)
that 
>> "+" *should* refer to the triad form, and that "#" is used to raise a 
>> note?
>
> + should always refer to an aug chord. But some people get it in their 
> heads that it means major or that it means #.
> To some unfortunate people E+9 might mean an E maj triad with aug 9th 
> added, or an E7#9 chord.
>
> I've seen some people use chord symbols like: C7(+9-5) too.
> Not a good idea, IMO, and in the opinions of most people I know.
>
>> E+7 tells me an E+ triad, with a 7th.  I can see how even saying "E 
>> augmented 7" might be construed as raising the 7th. But of course if
you 
>> have E7, and raise the 7th, you get EM7, so it seems that would be 
>> unlikely.
>
> But most folks know what it means.
> I just don't like seeing it.
>
>> If you use E7#9, or E7b9 it seems to make sense that you'd use E7#5, or

>> E9#5, even though 5 is lower than 7.
>
> Sadly, there is no Chord Symbols Standards Council. The chord symbols in

> common use got that way because most of us don't object to them too 
> strongly.
>
>> Is there any logic in parenthesizing? I think E9(#5) looks better, 
>> because we'd probably do E9 (no 5) or E9 (omit 5) the same way.
>
> Just for clarity.
> Usually we use superscript as much as possible so that the chord symbol 
> takes up the least amount of room on the page too. Can't really show
that 
> on usenet.
> In the front of all of Chuck Sher's fake books (New Real Book Vols 1-3)
he 
> has a little chord syllabus that shows many of the chord symbols in
common 
> use.
>
>> But it looks like basically you're trying to avoid the "+" symbol 
>> altogether (which probably isn't a bad thing - how many people also
think 
>> it means "add"?).
>
> I don't mind it for aug triads. I just don't like it on 7th chords. But
I 
> can live with it.
>

Thanks for the clarification.

Steve
 




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What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 02:57:23 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 03:26:11 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-26 03:47:28 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:09:44 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 05:19:48 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 17:01:40 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-26 12:32:51 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-26 21:10:48 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 16:55:14 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:26:56 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-26 18:51:55 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-26 18:52:56 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-27 11:20:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:05:21 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 04:41:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 04:39:50 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-27 13:10:36 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:10:52 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:22:24 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 07:27:13 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 12:13:49 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 09:11:52 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 11:04:03 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 10:04:14 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-02-27 19:58:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:39:32 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:37:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 11:01:52 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 15:38:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:47:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:51:12 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:27:50 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 20:08:43 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:41:39 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:08:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:55:07 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-28 10:47:40 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-28 10:13:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:55:30 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 00:00:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 00:55:47 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:25:30 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:13:09 
Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales and
"Tom K." <tk  2008-02-29 15:04:25 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 22:35:21 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:39:05 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:11:21 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-03-02 21:19:49 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-02 18:20:18 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 19:59:49 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-03 10:23:03 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 19:32:55 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"David Webber"   2008-03-01 08:28:52 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-01 11:42:43 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"David Webber"   2008-03-01 17:32:58 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-01 12:57:07 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"Mike A" <Mi  2008-03-02 03:22:41 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:50:51 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:22:47 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:20:31 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 18:38:20 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 18:36:46 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 17:41:36 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:48:03 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-02-28 20:06:16 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-27 14:57:45 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-27 19:28:44 
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Dylan <DDawson72@[EMAI  2008-02-28 01:04:42 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-28 18:46:07 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:29:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 04:38:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 05:11:26 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 14:13:49 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 12:59:00 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 12:57:34 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 08:28:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 09:35:00 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-28 23:53:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:15:17 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-02-28 19:47:50 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:46:33 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:05:15 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-29 04:15:36 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:08:11 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-02-29 03:07:41 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 16:58:27 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 01:09:10 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 17:19:40 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-02-28 21:42:38 
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"David Webber"   2008-02-29 08:54:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:13:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:20:20 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:27:16 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-02-29 06:32:35 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-02-29 17:33:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 06:59:23 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:43:30 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:13:18 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:00:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 07:50:54 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 08:39:32 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 16:45:38 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:17:38 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 19:12:49 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 08:31:59 
Re: Triangle symbol (was What's the relationship between scales
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 11:14:54 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 21:30:40 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-01 22:27:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 17:18:12 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 06:36:59 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-02 18:46:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 10:31:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 10:46:46 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:44:38 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:22:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:50:59 
Re: What's the relationship between scales and chords?
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:28:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:58:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 22:34:12 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 00:49:44 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-05 14:52:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 00:50:41 
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