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Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis

by "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM

"Joey Goldstein" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:fqidci$73q$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> OK. Thanks for clearing that up, I think.
>
> But Steve's "standard" method is the first of your two examples above,
not 
> the second one - which is Shoenberg's way, right?
> So I don't see anything abstract at all all about the *standard* "L. 
> Steven (Stephen?) Latham method" of labeling a key change.

I think what Ian was pointing out Joey was that in most analyses, we put
the 
key, like:

C: - I - ii6 - V7...

at the beginning.

When we modulate to a new key, we put the new key's name in, on a lower 
line, with a bracket symbol when a pivot chord is used:

C: I - vi6 |
         ___|
     G:| ii6 - V7 - I

In the Schoenberg case (which Ian correctly assumes is used by others as 
well), we abstract this a bit further by removing the names of the keys:

I - vi6|
     __|
 V:|  ii6 - etc.

Showing we've modulated to the key area of the V chord.

The advantage is it doesn't "restrict" the progression to any one key.

A potential disadvantage though is when you modulate to more remote keys -

modulating to the key of the #IV looks a little funny on paper instead of 
just starting in C and moving to F#. But those types of modulations are
not 
so common as to cause great heartache.

>
> But I can see Steve's point, regarding inversions, that some level of 
> description is missing from the Berklee method. Still, it's not a big 
> deal.
>
> I think we all agree on that.

Yes, I agree. I think though, where you said Berklee was backwards 
compatible - that's only true if we don't want to show the inversions, 
which, apparently, we still do (that is, show them on a single symbol).

Steve
 




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Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 12:09:18 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 18:56:47 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 14:59:48 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-02 20:41:25 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 19:55:21 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 19:31:56 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-03 08:44:22 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 09:50:10 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-04 01:28:40 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 21:49:53 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-04 05:37:50 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 22:39:16 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 22:31:15 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-02 18:27:23 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 18:35:24 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 22:00:26 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-03 11:53:31 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 01:03:42 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <joegol  2008-03-04 14:21:26 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 22:53:47 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-04 20:14:37 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-10 17:49:24 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-10 20:33:33 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-11 17:59:42 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <joegol  2008-03-04 14:27:16 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-04 22:58:02 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-04 20:05:52 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-06 00:48:16 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-10 17:43:39 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-10 20:31:17 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-08 19:56:26 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-10 16:23:02 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-02 20:36:12 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:21:32 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 00:39:01 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-03 06:12:45 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-03 01:16:35 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-03 07:14:53 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 00:46:28 
Re: Perceived limitations of using UC RN in an harmonic analysis
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-04 00:52:01 

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