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Re: Retrogression

by "Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 11, 2008 at 02:55 PM

"knucmo" <knucmo23232@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>I have read here that Satie was an innovator in that he made use of
> 'retrogressions to nullify the sense of key' - is this like a V-IV -
> and how is this retrogressive?

Since traditionally in CPP music, the IV chord progresses to V, V - IV
would 
be considered a "retrogression", that is a chord succession  not normally 
used as part of the "Tonal System" in use from roughly 1650 to 1880. 
Satie, 
like Debussy, tended to emphasize these successions which, in the 1880's
and 
'90's represented a clear break from the music which came before them. 
Whether they "nullify the sense of key" is another story, as Satie avoided

CPP functional progressions but tended to establish key centers by other 
means - sometimes termed "extended tonality".

Please see Steve's post for a more complete explanation.

Tom K.
 




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Retrogression
knucmo <knucmo23232@[E  2008-03-11 17:18:17 
Re: Retrogression
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-11 18:07:32 
Re: Retrogression
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-11 16:22:01 
Re: Retrogression
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-11 11:54:04 
Re: Retrogression
textrx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-12 05:02:59 
Re: Retrogression
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-12 12:02:36 
Re: Retrogression
Jerry Kohl <jeromekohl  2008-03-12 08:22:35 
Re: Retrogression
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-12 10:51:36 
Re: Retrogression
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-11 14:55:48 
Re: Retrogression
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-11 21:58:01 
Re: Retrogression
"Steve Latham"   2008-03-11 22:07:54 
Re: Retrogression
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-11 17:02:24 
Re: Retrogression
knucmo <stevejouanny@[  2008-03-12 10:27:27 
Re: Retrogression
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-12 13:46:30 

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