On Mar 11, 1:54=A0pm, LJS <ljsche...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:18 pm, knucmo <knucmo23...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > I have read here that Satie was an innovator in that he made use of
> > 'retrogressions to nullify the sense of key' - is this like a V-IV -
> > and how is this retrogressive?
>
> You can make this simple or complicated. In reality it is very simple.
>
> Progression:
>
> A progression has been shown, with years of analysis, to most like
> consist of a movement away from the Tonic note and then PROGRESSING
> back to tonic. The route taken has shown to be following the cycle of
> 5ths back to tonic. So if you move from Tonic, C for example, to say a
> vi chord or Am. The typical progression would be =A0I vi ii V I
> starting with the vi, each chord root resolves down the interval of a
> 5th until it reaches tonic or C in this case. =A0Question: =A0But the IV
> is not in that progression so how can that be? =A0Answer: Good
> observation. In the never ending search for variety and other
> characteristics of various chord colors and to accommodate bass lines
> and for lots of reasons, there can be substitutions. Historically the
> cadence in CPP would most likely be I vi IV V I. If you look closely,
> the ii chord is spelled D F A and the IV chord is spelled F A C. They
> share two notes out of three. The ii is often in its 4 note spelling D
> F A C which contains the entire IV chord. The CPP also liked the base
> line of =A04 5 1 as a strong cadence. The approach of the F to the G in
> the bass is heard as emphasizing the V and they more commonly used
> this for a cadence. It still fits into the scheme of the progression
> of 5ths toward the tonic for that reason. In Jazz you are more likely
> to hear the ii7 V I than the IV V I but they both follow the same
> progression rules based on the 5th and they both serve as a final
> cadence or a tem****ary cadence.
>
> Thus retrogression is simply the reverse of this process.
> Retrogression would basically follow the I V ii vi iii or variations
> of these root movements.
>
> If you like more step by step instruction, either find an old theory
> book or probably someone here will give you the various rules for
> progression. In either case, the end result will be that they will
> follow the basic rule of descending 5ths back to tonic with =A0various
> adjustments as considered best by the composer.
>
> Does this help?
> LJS
What does CPP stand for? I did a google search for acronyms and got
hundreds of posibilities including ChickenPot Pie.
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