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Re: Quicky about naming a chord

by "David Webber" <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 18, 2008 at 08:30 AM

"Hans Aberg" <haberg_20080313@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:frm24r$npq$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> David Webber wrote:
>
>> In general there are good reasons for writing one enharmonic rather
than 
>> another, even in 12tet.
>>
>> The point I was making is that these reasons are *least* compelling for

>> diminished sevenths and augmented triads, which are rather special 
>> objects. The point about diminished and augmented chords (especially in

>> 12tet) is that their identity is rather ambiguous.
>
> If the scale is not 12-ET, so there is no enharmonic equivalence, then
the 
> inversions of an diminished 7th are no longer transpositions of each 
> other.

True, but irrelevant, as we were talking about 12tet.

And diminished 7ths became *far* more interesting after the ubiquitous use

of 12tet.    I am somehow *not* using sleep over wondering how a group of 
Elizabethan singers  managed to arrive at a Cdim7 chord

Gb Bbb C Eb

sing it in tune, and then reinterpret it as a Gbdim7

Gb Bbb Dbb Fbb

(working out the exact pitch of Fbb of course)  before continuing on to
the 
next harmony.    The point being that an awful lot of what you can do with

dim7 chords (like modulating to distant keys) comes into its own
essentially 
only in the wonderfully rich structure of 12 (enharmonically distinct ) 
keys, which is facilitated by 12tet.   When you talk about dim7 chords in 
other temperaments, you are basically changing the subject.

Dave
-- 
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Author of 'Mozart the Music Processor'
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-15 05:22:56 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-15 11:02:54 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-15 17:42:02 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-15 14:10:02 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-15 18:39:29 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-15 14:50:00 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-03-15 20:08:25 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-15 16:14:04 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-17 14:28:03 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-15 11:35:57 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-15 08:45:27 
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"Jens Rodrigo"   2008-03-15 17:00:19 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-15 15:06:44 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-15 22:18:48 
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Joey Goldstein <joegol  2008-03-15 16:20:35 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-15 16:46:48 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-15 16:50:07 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-17 00:42:15 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-16 05:23:49 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-16 11:23:46 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-16 11:46:28 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-16 23:11:21 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-03-16 13:38:31 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-16 17:50:23 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-16 13:55:17 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-16 17:41:34 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-17 10:11:40 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-16 13:58:14 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-16 16:51:05 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-16 20:21:37 
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antalabel1@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-03-16 17:48:55 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-16 20:14:19 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-17 08:04:42 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-17 04:17:23 
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vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-17 06:20:10 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-17 14:25:57 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-17 11:05:47 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 08:36:28 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-17 16:18:50 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 08:30:06 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 15:24:15 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 14:48:35 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 16:03:34 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 16:19:22 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 18:33:13 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 18:22:52 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 19:37:55 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 12:09:40 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 18:10:39 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 13:44:10 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 18:49:29 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 14:16:54 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 19:34:31 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 15:07:19 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 20:22:37 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 17:33:51 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-18 23:16:12 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 19:05:38 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 00:15:25 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 19:59:01 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 01:47:02 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 02:11:56 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-19 11:11:32 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 16:23:36 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-19 11:38:53 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 17:57:13 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-19 04:49:44 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-19 10:55:39 
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ian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (p  2008-03-19 04:52:24 
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Hans Aberg <haberg_200  2008-03-19 00:44:25 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-19 13:06:26 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-17 08:37:01 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-17 14:12:08 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 09:28:48 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-17 15:43:40 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 04:42:09 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 14:36:21 
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vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-18 05:43:12 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 10:27:04 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-18 18:20:44 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 10:32:30 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-18 13:46:40 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 11:11:59 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 16:34:44 
Re: Quicky about naming a chord
"David Webber"   2008-03-19 09:53:01 
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Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-03-19 10:56:27 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-20 10:00:09 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 17:51:03 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-18 17:52:30 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 07:23:36 
Re: Quicky about naming a chord
"David Webber"   2008-03-19 15:46:36 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-19 20:22:21 
Re: Quicky about naming a chord
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 08:54:53 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 08:57:53 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 09:05:56 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 09:20:06 
Re: Quicky about naming a chord
"David Webber"   2008-03-20 09:59:25 
Re: Quicky about naming a chord
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-19 12:22:09 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-20 05:26:20 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-20 10:33:53 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-20 08:40:50 
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"David Webber"   2008-03-20 18:52:35 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-20 08:48:47 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-20 16:18:07 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-20 18:24:10 

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