"Anthropus" <Anthropus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> All this talk has gotten me interested.
>>
>> When do Tritone Subs come on the scene?
>>
>> Is it something where players started substituting these chords for a
V7
>> in an already written piece, or where composers actually writing them
in?
>>
>> Are they found in Glenn Miller? Where people doing them in "head"
>> arrangements (any that were written out)?
>>
>> Anyone got a "Brief History of the Tritone Sub"?
>
> I think it arose in the nineteenth century, without any attempt to think
> of it as a 'tritone substitute' for something, but rather as an
extension
> of the idea of the 'German sixth' -- the augmented 6th interval now
> expanding to an octave on the tonic, instead of on the dominant.
> Intermediate steps might perhaps have involved the use of a Ger6 as a
> common tone decorative chord, with the augmented 6th resolving to the
> fifth of tonic harmony (as in Schubert's 'Am Meer'), and the use of a
> common tone diminished seventh chord resolving in the same way. Calling
it
> a 'tritone substitution' might just have been a handy way of getting
> players to push the right notes down without spending rehearsal time on
> obscure theoretical definitions -- though having said that, it ought to
be
> pointed out that quite a bit of atonal and serial music has been
analysed
> in terms of tritone-related keys...
>
> Sorry if this has all been said here before...
>
No, actually, it's refre****ng to hear someone say something with some
actual
solidity behind it.
Your point about Am Meer is a good one. I guess my question is, if it
arose
out of those kinds of sounds directly, or, if there was more or less a
"hey,
check this out, you can sub this chord for this, and it still "works" ".
I was going to say that it seems like Barbershop harmonies include the
common-tone versions, and this seems to be somewhat of a "missing link". I
don't know the Barbershop repertory very well though.
Steve
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