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Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc

by "Alain Naigeon" <anaigeon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 27, 2008 at 01:07 AM

Each position of the diminished seventh chord sounds the same
as the root position, and can be rewritten by enharmony (thus
allowing modulations)
I remember having read that this is "because this chord is made of
equal" intervals - all minor thirds.

Recently, it made me think about a chord made of identical major
thirds, for instance C E G#...
First, it turns out that we can't build a seventh, since B# is C !
(Indeed I should have guessed that an augmented 7th would
 give an octave ;-) )

Then :
E G# C is the same as E G# B#, and sounds like the root position.
G# B# E is the same as G# B# D## obviously the same kind
of chord once again, but this time built on G#.

Up to this point I was still thinking that the argument "... because
made of equal intervals" was a sensible one.

But, but..., after all, why would the third be the only interval we
would be allowed to have a look at ?
Thus I took fourths, for instance, and I failed to find anything
special with the inversions of such "chords" made of fourths !

Now my question isn't about these fourth chords, it's about
the real reason to these miracles for chords B D F bA
and C E G# ; since the reason given (equal intervals) is wrong
because there is at least one counter example, what can be the
*real* reason ?
I more or less see that enharmonies are possible with chords
made of fifths and equal (minor/major) thirds, but not with
those made of fourths : it's quite obvious that starting from
C F bB and considering F bB C we can't cheat enough
with the C to re-build a fourth :-o  But... why, then, are thirds
behaving in such a special and miraculous way, why only the
thirds?
(ok you might find another interval having this property, but
 what I'm looking for is a general explanation why some have
it, and some don't)

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 19 Posts in Topic:
Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-27 01:07:50 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-26 22:07:26 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-27 03:01:45 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-27 10:09:23 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 23:48:36 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-27 03:05:55 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
flatnine <martymusic@[  2008-03-27 06:21:38 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:08:11 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-28 06:18:10 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-28 11:19:09 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-28 06:21:31 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:13:56 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-26 22:06:00 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 01:44:32 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 23:43:42 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-26 22:09:06 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-27 09:06:24 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:29:41 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-29 18:43:17 

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