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Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc

by LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 26, 2008 at 10:09 PM

On Mar 26, 7:07 pm, "Alain Naigeon" <anaig...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Each position of the diminished seventh chord sounds the same
> as the root position, and can be rewritten by enharmony (thus
> allowing modulations)
> I remember having read that this is "because this chord is made of
> equal" intervals - all minor thirds.
>
> Recently, it made me think about a chord made of identical major
> thirds, for instance C E G#...
> First, it turns out that we can't build a seventh, since B# is C !
> (Indeed I should have guessed that an augmented 7th would
>  give an octave ;-) )
>
> Then :
> E G# C is the same as E G# B#, and sounds like the root position.
> G# B# E is the same as G# B# D## obviously the same kind
> of chord once again, but this time built on G#.
>
> Up to this point I was still thinking that the argument "... because
> made of equal intervals" was a sensible one.
>
> But, but..., after all, why would the third be the only interval we
> would be allowed to have a look at ?
> Thus I took fourths, for instance, and I failed to find anything
> special with the inversions of such "chords" made of fourths !
>
> Now my question isn't about these fourth chords, it's about
> the real reason to these miracles for chords B D F bA
> and C E G# ; since the reason given (equal intervals) is wrong
> because there is at least one counter example, what can be the
> *real* reason ?
> I more or less see that enharmonies are possible with chords
> made of fifths and equal (minor/major) thirds, but not with
> those made of fourths : it's quite obvious that starting from
> C F bB and considering F bB C we can't cheat enough
> with the C to re-build a fourth :-o  But... why, then, are thirds
> behaving in such a special and miraculous way, why only the
> thirds?
> (ok you might find another interval having this property, but
>  what I'm looking for is a general explanation why some have
> it, and some don't)
>
> --
>
> Fran=E7ais     *=3D=3D>     "Musique renaissance"     <=3D=3D*    
English=

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> Alain Naigeon - anaig...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 - Oberhoffen/Moder, France

Yes, its late, I forgot about the major 2nds. They are not usually
used to build chords, but they certainly go into 2 evenly and they do
circle after 6 tones and there are two of them but with a whole bunch
of different names.
LJS
 




 19 Posts in Topic:
Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-27 01:07:50 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-26 22:07:26 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-27 03:01:45 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-27 10:09:23 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 23:48:36 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-27 03:05:55 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
flatnine <martymusic@[  2008-03-27 06:21:38 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:08:11 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-28 06:18:10 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Tom K." <tk  2008-03-28 11:19:09 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
SleepyHead <simonharph  2008-03-28 06:21:31 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:13:56 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-26 22:06:00 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 01:44:32 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-29 23:43:42 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-26 22:09:06 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-27 09:06:24 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-03-30 00:29:41 
Re: Inversions of 7o and 5+, etc
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-03-29 18:43:17 

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