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Re: Unanswered Question #1

by LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM

On Apr 7, 7:15 am, paramu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (paramucho) wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:52:49 -0700 (PDT), ttw6...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >F. H. Shephard used the term "attendant chord" in 1889 to describe
> >what we now call a secondary dominant. Composers had been using the
> >construct for a couple of hundred years before that (without
> >necessarily naming it.) I don't have an earlier reference yet.
>
> I added a comment to the Wikipedia discussion page on "Secondary
> Dominants" a couple of days ago. The history section of the article
> claims that the concept originates with Piston in 194x but the idea of
> a "secondary dominant" doesn't seem much different to Riemann's
> "Zwischendominante" and another comment on the discussion page points
> to Schoenberg's usage in his Harmonielehre.
>
> It's amazing how many copies of Shephard's 1896 book are still
> available.
>
> Ian

I thought that this particular statement was a bit strange when I read
it, but then it was a really long time ago. Wiki does it again. I
think I remember seeing this same thing there myself, I don't know who
started it, maybe it was Dolmetsh that gave it to Wili! I don't know
which came first.

There is at least one less copy since Katrina. After looking at your
link I remembered that I had had that book since my college days or
maybe even before. I enjoyed picking it up every decade or so to
remind me of  what was im****tant back then. Its all pretty much basic
things that have been rewritten over and over again with slightly
different spins by many different authors. Of course one couldn't
expect much new to come out of re analyzing the same music over and
over. They should have gotten it right centuries ago! lol
LJS
 




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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-02 16:36:36 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-04-02 22:02:21 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 09:52:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-03 20:23:02 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 01:07:45 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-04 16:02:56 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 10:37:27 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-05 16:22:27 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-05 13:29:10 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-03 10:55:59 
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"David Webber"   2008-04-05 20:44:16 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-06 12:22:53 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-06 11:02:40 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-06 15:17:24 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-07 06:18:50 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 03:20:59 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 03:38:19 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-08 05:00:31 
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"David Webber"   2008-04-08 08:28:05 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 20:07:46 
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"David Webber"   2008-04-09 12:50:56 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 14:20:09 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 19:54:25 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-09 11:38:03 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 14:18:02 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 15:05:33 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-10 16:55:12 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 19:48:49 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-11 04:41:28 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-11 19:29:13 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-12 11:09:12 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-12 17:01:02 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-10 13:39:09 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 19:50:28 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-10 15:49:54 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 16:10:48 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-10 16:57:10 
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"David Webber"   2008-04-07 09:09:44 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 03:22:49 
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"David Webber"   2008-04-08 08:32:50 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-03 12:56:45 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 01:07:43 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-04-03 14:39:09 
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ediebur@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-03 14:51:12 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 09:13:39 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-04 08:59:09 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 10:02:40 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-05 06:12:28 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-05 11:03:54 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-05 16:41:23 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-05 17:14:53 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-05 18:06:02 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 08:00:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 17:28:51 
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ttw6687@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-06 17:52:49 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-06 22:27:00 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-07 12:15:40 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-04-08 03:16:02 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 21:24:15 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 21:39:58 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 21:47:48 
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ttw6687@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-07 09:32:28 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-08 13:58:08 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-07 10:12:38 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-07 10:14:46 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-07 16:10:33 
Re: Unanswered Question #1
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-08 07:59:17 

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