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Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths

by "Alain Naigeon" <anaigeon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 11, 2008 at 08:28 PM

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>>> Sorry if I missed this is in another answer.     Apart from
mathematical
>>> reasons, the strongest musical reason is the V-I cadence.    For
example
>>> chord-of-G -> chord-of-C.   If you're in the key of C this sounds like
a
>>> particularly good "finish" (so good that it is known as a "perfect
>>> cadence") and has been around for hundreds of years.
>>
>> Well, it was, IMHO, not as frequent as it became later, and
nevertheless 
>> the
>> "circle" of fifths was used to build the Pythagorean scale used in
these
>> times.
>
> Except that Pythagoras found it was a spiral of 5ths <g>

That's what I meant with my quotes ;-)

- it was only with
> tempered scales that it became a circle

I think "tempered" is done for several different reasons.
Changing the spiral into a circle is one of them (Pythagore's comma).
But then you have still to make a decision, for instance, about which
kind of major third you wish : syntonic and enharmonic commas.
Their names may vary from one author to another, but the former one
is, of course, the discrepancy between the 5/4 third and the 4th fifth,
(81/80), and the latter one is the difference between three 5/4 thirds
and the octave (125/128).
What I mean is that the size of the fifth results from all these choices,
not only from forcing the closure of the spiral.

> But building a scale from frequency ratios 3^m/2^n is what I regard as a

> "mathematical" exercise.

Well, they've been writing mathematical music for hundred years :-)

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Explain the Circle of 5ths
Hacienda de Ville <fer  2008-04-09 17:34:45 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"BobW" <nimb  2008-04-09 15:11:24 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 18:28:15 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-04-09 22:35:40 
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"Anthropus" <  2008-04-10 04:40:49 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 23:02:04 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"David Webber"   2008-04-10 08:26:51 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-04-11 02:17:35 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"David Webber"   2008-04-11 15:01:37 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-04-11 20:28:43 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
"Ethel Jean \(Kowan\  2008-04-17 15:41:44 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-17 20:24:48 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
flatnine <martymusic@[  2008-04-10 08:41:14 
Re: Explain the Circle of 5ths
Weird Beard <weird_bea  2008-04-19 03:27:17 

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