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Re: Descending aug and dim intervals

by "Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 11, 2008 at 10:57 PM

"Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> What is a "negative distance" in terms of musical intervals, Dave? 
>> Sounds a bit like like our late, unlamented "Diminished Prime"!
>
> You guys got me thinking about this again (oh brother).
>
> So:
>
> You have a Major 3rd.
>
> If you increase the distance of this interval by raising the upper note
an 
> octave, or lowering the lower note an octave, you create a "compound 
> interval", in this case, a Major 10th.
>
> If you consider a Perfect Unison to be a "simple" interval, than 
> performing the same operation will yield a Perfect 8ve.
>
> It stands to reason that, in order to simplify a compound interval, you 
> would perform the opposite operation - decreasing the distance by an 
> octave.
>
> If we decrease Perfect 12th by a half step, thus making it a diminished 
> 12th, then "simplifying" it by decreasing the distance by an octave, we 
> are left with a diminished 5th.
>
> If we decrease a Perfect 8ve by a half step, thus making it a diminished

> 8ve, then simplifying it makes - a diminished Unison.
>
That's where it breaks down, because...

> This makes a bunch of assumptions - for instance, that the unison itself

> is considered a "distance".

The "distance" is zero - how do you diminish zero?

> From a practical standpoint, two people can play the same note, and
lines 
> can cross, so unisons are at least practical from that standpoint.
>
> Can you augment a unison? If so, it should allow for being diminished
too.

Why?  You can have more than nothing, but how can you have less than 
nothing?

> The practicality of such would be pretty meaningless in almost any
context 
> I can think of though. It's kind of like saying -1 = 1-2. It does, but 
> either way you're left in debt!

But is debt  a musical analog?

Tom K.
 




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Descending aug and dim intervals
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-04-09 22:46:49 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 20:24:15 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-10 08:33:00 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-04-10 11:55:32 
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vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-10 23:09:19 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-11 15:07:47 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-11 22:15:12 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-12 10:58:40 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-10 08:29:10 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-10 09:49:11 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 14:25:48 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-10 16:17:04 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-10 13:34:11 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Alain Naigeon"  2008-04-11 02:17:38 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-11 15:20:11 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-11 15:18:10 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-11 19:42:13 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-11 22:57:11 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-12 16:56:20 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-12 13:26:29 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-12 20:54:28 
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paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-12 11:14:48 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-13 13:56:16 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-11 19:45:01 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-11 23:00:43 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-12 16:58:30 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-12 13:17:56 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-12 20:49:33 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-11 22:22:03 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-10 12:55:57 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
paramucho@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-11 14:21:47 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-12 23:10:33 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-13 10:34:56 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-13 23:53:10 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
vilen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-13 23:09:45 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"David Webber"   2008-04-14 15:48:24 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-04-10 11:56:47 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Steve Latham"   2008-04-10 16:12:19 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
Joey Goldstein <nospam  2008-04-10 13:51:44 
Re: Descending aug and dim intervals
"Tom K." <tk  2008-04-10 13:45:07 

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