"Danny Schorr" <.@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:45:27 +0200, "Alain Naigeon" <anaigeon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
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>>"Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>>> "Alain Naigeon" <anaigeon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Danny Schorr" <.@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:17:39 GMT, Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When does an interval become a leap?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When a melody moves by an interval greater than a whole step.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to quiz you on the very same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> But your definition actually stands:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whole Tone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bb to C# is, yes, a leap - even though the letters are consecutive,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> still larger than a whole step.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it has nothing to do with "scale" - just interval. So even
though
>>>>> A-C are "adjacent scale steps" in a pentatonic scale, it's still
>>>>> larger
>>>>> than a whole step, thus leap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, now, let's imagine a scale in which every step is greater than a
>>>> tone
>>>> (for example a strange C Eb Gb A) ;
>>>> would you still call a leap such an atomic step like C Eb ? ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> But Alain, even in our collective imaginations, C Eb Gb A wouldn't be
>>> termed a "scale". Call it a dim. 7th chord, a tetrachord, or perhaps
a
>>> 4
>>> PC set - but not a scale!
>>> Tom K.
>>>
>>
>>Tom, where is it written that a scale must have 7 notes, or more than
>>four,
>>or that it should contain at least one interval not greater than some
>>inferior
>>limit, or..?
>>In other words, I'm not necessarly disagreeing with your answer, but I'd
>>then ask : how can we turn our common feeling of a scale to a rational
>>definition ?
>
> Alain, your inquiry is actually along the same lines as my musing upon
> when
> it is that a step becomes a leap.
> Hindemith said that 7 notes are the minimum requirement for a succesion
of
> notes that move by step and not by leap. I pondered this for a while,
and
> as far as I can tell he is right ( he derived the 7 note scale from
> Pythagoras's metheod, moving lower and higher from the original
derivation
> of fifths to arrive at the 7 note scale, before filling out the
chromatic
> with all twelve notes. I can give the details in another post if you are
> interested.)
Danny, while writing my last answer, I thought of tones and fifths, since
this interval was mentionned in a sentence I will quote just lower.
But then I remembered a very long thread about overtones, in which people
were disagreeing about their im****tance in music theory, and thus I
censored
my own message ;-)
>>>>> Bb to C# is, yes, a leap - even though the letters are consecutive,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> still larger than a whole step.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it has nothing to do with "scale" - just interval. So even
though
>>>>> A-C are "adjacent scale steps" in a pentatonic scale, it's still
>>>>> larger
>>>>> than a whole step, thus leap.
I strongly disagree with this sentence (which wasn't yours, IIRC).
I think "a leap" contains the idea of jumping over something, or skipping
something - as LJS has just said in a recent message.
Going from a note to its neighbour, and calling that a leap, is really
more
than I can admit :-o
(whatever the distance between these two neighbours - that's why I tried
to build this strange scale)
In C major the smallest interval is a semitone ; will we say it's a leap,
just because some other scales may contain quarter tones ? Of course not.
If a scale contains tones only, we won't either call a leap a transition
from
a note to its neighbour.
Then, when a scale doesn't contain any tone or smaller interval, why would
we suddendly call a leap a transition from a note to its neighbour ?
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