Re: Melodies move by step in any form of music?

"LJS" <ljschenck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Two visits to New Orleans and you are an expert!

Both true, to a certain extent, but the causality went the other way. 
Being there gave me a general idea of the place about 30 years after i
first 
got into the subject:  being there doesn't make anyone an expert in what
was 
happening nearly a century ago.

> I don't even know if
> Gunter Schuller even visited New Orleans. I made not comments that
> Jazz was in full bloom in 1803. I stated that the roots were there

You said that in acknowledging the very large contribution to jazz of the 
creole community, I was claiming it for Europeans.  I pointed out they
were 
Americans and you said they only became Americans after the Louisiana 
purchase, as if some kind of jazz was going on before that.

There was no jazz in 1803 and absolutely nothing like it.   It's first 
exponents were born three or more generations later.   If you're talking 
about roots that far back, you may as well credit Mozart and Beethoven
with 
jazz, and credit Chopin with ragtime, or point out that my great
grandfather 
was into Rock and Roll.

>and
> that Creoles had little or nothing to do with them.

Displaying your comlete and utter ignorance of the origins of jazz as I
have 
shown at some length.   But I'm forgetting myself - you were born there,
and 
so my extensive collection of recordings and books means nothing - so you 
must be right.

>It was you that
> stated that it magically appeared as a creation by the Creole
> musicians around 1915 when they were first recorded!

Actually I didn't.  You're making it up.

> I can assure you
> that this music, even in the form that impressed you so much, was not
> a "spur of the moment" thing. These bands had been doing this same
> thing in Storyville years before ...

I'm sure your assurance is well meant - it just flies in the face of all
the 
historical evidence, including the recordings, and so you'll have to
forgive 
me if  laugh.   :-(

Dave
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