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Re: Melodies move by step in any form of music?

by "David Webber" <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 4, 2008 at 08:32 AM

"LJS" <ljschenck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:f882c739-83ab-486c-ac77-43611fe15d61@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> That is the band that he learned in that was FORMED  in 1988!
>...I would think that an intelligent person could have deduced that!

Yes Jack Laine formed a brass band in 1888, but it didn't play jazz.   
Nick 
La Rocca was quite clear about  what sort of thing he played with Jack
Laine 
when he was interviewed later in life.

But no-one who knew the first thing about this period of jazz could ever 
have written as you did

"The La Roca brothers [sic] and the other members of this band played with

Papa Laine's band in 1888"

I didn't 'misread' it - you specifically say "...La Roca ...played ...in 
1888."    Any "intelligent person" can see this.

What I was generous enough not to comment on are the less precise 
implications made by your statement: that Nick la Rocca had a broher in
the 
ODJB (he didn't) and that all the other members of the ODJB played with 
Laine (they didn't - though Edwards did).

It is completely clear that you don't know the first thing about early
jazz 
and you're just, making it all up to sup****t some romantic notion. 
Creoles 
being too upper class to play jazz,  La Rocca playing before he was born, 
and jazz before the Louisiana Purchase (presumeably using keyed bugles and

serpents), classical ragtime being cleaned up jazz, are just some of the 
more amusing, bizarre highlights, in a series of tirades which are wrong 
from beginning to end.

You obviously have no affinity with this music at all.   Give it up.  
[It's 
alright, you know, it isn't compulsory.]

But if you really do want to lean about what jazz, blues, and ragtime are:

try the Victor Military Band's 1914 recording of W C Handy's "Memphis 
Blues".   It is an excellent example of what brass and wind bands were
doing 
at the time following the rise in popularity of ragtime.   It is blues (in

form), ragtime (in style), and jazz in no respect whatsoever.    Then
listen 
to any one of dozens of  jazz renditions of Memphis Blues from the 1920s
and 
try and hear the difference.

Dave
-- 
David Webber
Author of 'Mozart the Music Processor'
http://www.mozart.co.uk
For discussion/sup****t see
http://www.mozart.co.uk/mozartists/mailinglist.htm
 




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Melodies move by step in any form of music?
nono umasy <nigelinsou  2008-05-28 17:41:33 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-28 21:43:23 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-05-28 21:56:02 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-29 08:17:39 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-29 19:39:57 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-29 17:53:06 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-29 22:26:05 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-05-30 04:27:21 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-05-30 17:38:41 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-30 16:17:45 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-05-30 22:45:27 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-31 01:53:45 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-05-31 23:55:14 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-31 23:13:40 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-01 01:45:22 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-06-01 00:57:36 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-01 01:47:01 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-02 00:09:17 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-06-01 23:09:17 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-02 01:57:36 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-02 02:06:04 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-06-02 00:10:45 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-02 15:21:17 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-02 21:47:59 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-01 01:36:02 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-06-01 02:02:55 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-01 16:55:15 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-31 23:00:01 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 00:34:06 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-06-01 02:31:34 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-03 19:45:23 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-31 09:14:41 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-05-31 18:45:29 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-31 14:58:30 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 00:10:22 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-01 01:29:46 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-01 00:06:50 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-06-01 01:25:15 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 21:08:05 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 20:59:26 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 18:09:27 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 20:04:13 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-03 13:35:01 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-29 05:22:08 
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"David Webber"   2008-05-29 15:18:23 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-05-29 14:16:25 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-29 14:27:43 
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"David Webber"   2008-05-30 20:44:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-29 21:35:22 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-30 21:15:03 
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"Alain Naigeon"  2008-06-01 00:01:06 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-31 22:50:13 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-05-31 23:10:31 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 07:22:46 
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"David Webber"   2008-05-31 16:20:41 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 08:12:35 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-31 12:10:19 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 11:45:53 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-05-31 15:22:17 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 11:28:06 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 11:59:29 
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"David Webber"   2008-05-31 21:57:09 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 14:15:40 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 00:48:14 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 15:17:03 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 15:46:41 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 17:05:43 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-05-31 18:25:45 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 09:38:04 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 06:25:17 
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"David Webber"   2008-06-01 15:48:17 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 06:30:48 
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Jack Campin - bogus addre  2008-06-01 23:46:32 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 07:40:43 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 20:53:16 
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"David Webber"   2008-06-03 16:13:56 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 21:02:39 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-03 10:50:58 
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"David Webber"   2008-06-04 08:32:51 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-06-05 07:15:09 
Re: Melodies move by step in any form of music?
"David Webber"   2008-06-05 17:15:39 

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