Re: 7b5, or 7#11?

"Fiona Abrahami" <fiona@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
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>>C E Gb Bb
>>
>> C E Bb F#
>>
>> See the problem?
>
> Not really.
>
> b5 tells me that there is a b5 but no P5 in the chord, but there could
be 
> a P4 or 11 in the chord (if adding tensions) and associated scale.
>
> #11 or #4 is telling me there is a P5 in the chord and associated scale,

> but no P4.
>

But what if your voicing omits the 5th, which is commonly done?

Or, is it fair to say that the 5th "should be" included in 11th voicings
so 
the distinction between #11/b5 etc. can be maintained?

It's kind of like omitting the 5th from a m7b5 isn't something you'd 
probably want to do????

Steve