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Types of Altered Chords

by "Steve Latham" <llatham@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 3, 2008 at 03:50 PM

Ok boys and girls, something's puzzling me:

1. I know that musically and artistically, we can construct ANY chord we'd

like, so let's put that aside as a non-issue.

2. I'm looking up info on things like 9th chords and it seems that I'm 
running into very little (or incorrect) information about these specifics,

so here goes:

M, m, o and + - pretty universal.  m(#5) would end up being another M
chord 
in first inversion, so it's a "duplicate".

Maj7, 7, m7, m7b5, o7 - standard diatonic.

But we also have the ability to raise and lower 5 and raise 7 in some
(let's 
ignore sus4, other sus and add, and 6 chords for now) -

Maj7(#5), Maj7(b5), 7(#5), 7(b5)

mMaj7.

Now, if I take a m7 and do m7(#5) same problem as above - it creates - say
C 
Eb G# Bb = Ab C Eb Bb - Abadd9/C. So I would say that's not a "typical" 
alteration to perform on a m7 (or m) chord. Obviously if we do m7(b5) we 
have m7b5, so no problem there.

So it appears that the 5th can be raised or lowered on 7 and Maj7 chords
(or 
is it safe to say "chords with major thirds"?) but for minor 7 chords the 
5th is not typically adjusted (creates 2 other already named chords), but 
the 7th can be raised (mMaj7).

Correct?

Now, what about 9th chords?

9 (Dom 9) - we can alter that 5th and the 9th - 9, 7b9, 7#9, 7(b5 b9),
7(b5 
#9), 7(#5 b9), 7(#5 #9)

That all seems ok - altered dominant.

What about:
Maj9 - Maj9 - OK
Maj7b9 - C E G B Db ?
Maj7#9 - C E G B D# ?

You see what I'm getting at?

How many altered forms of Maj9 are there (typically, or commonly again) - 
are the 5th and the 9th frequently altered as in the dominant structures? 
Are there some (any) that are common, or more common than others?

C E G# B D - CMaj9(#5). Of course that's simply E7/C as well. But is 
CMaj9(#5) a happenin' thing? (well, happenin in that it occurs commonly,
not 
that it sounds cool, which it does - I frequently play C+ to C+add9 when C

is a V+ chord to get a 5-6-1 melodic line - but what about adding the
Maj7th 
in there too?).

Ditto with m9 forms.

Seems to me it should still hold logical that you can raise the 7 in a m9
to 
form a mMaj7(9), or C Eb G B D.

(p.s. if this, or any other notation I'm using is funky, please feel free
to 
correct).

But do we have m7(b9) - C Eb G Bb Db? (and I realize that #9 is impossible

in the minor family)

Ok, so there's another whole category.

Additionally, what about 9ths added to m7b5 or o7 forms?

C Eb Gb Bb D - Cm7b5(9) ???  or C Eb Gb Bb Db - Cm7(b5 b9) - or is it
simply 
Ebm13/C (or Ebm/C)???

A link, or a list in response would be nice. And again I'm not looking for

every possibility, just the commonly used or "named" ones.

TIA,
Steve
 




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Types of Altered Chords
"Steve Latham"   2008-07-03 15:50:09 
Re: Types of Altered Chords
mike <ionahoopii@[EMAI  2008-07-03 08:56:08 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-07-03 12:40:19 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-03 17:42:47 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-03 18:22:23 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-03 23:55:09 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-04 13:33:34 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-07-04 15:09:08 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 15:43:56 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-07-04 16:06:38 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 16:15:06 
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"Mike C." <F  2008-07-06 13:28:14 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-04 17:53:43 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-07-04 18:21:06 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-04 19:05:29 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-06 17:14:46 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-06 17:07:18 
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"Mike C." <F  2008-07-06 13:29:33 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-06 21:38:50 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-08 00:59:34 
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"Patrick" <p  2008-07-03 12:35:26 
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"Tom K." <tk  2008-07-03 12:44:10 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-03 17:51:52 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-03 18:07:06 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 15:32:33 
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"Patrick" <p  2008-07-03 16:29:53 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 15:40:34 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-07-04 15:43:09 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 16:00:03 
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Danny Schorr <.@[EMAIL  2008-07-04 16:15:17 
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"Patrick" <p  2008-07-04 13:16:12 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-03 18:28:15 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-03 22:45:03 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-03 23:49:46 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-04 13:32:33 
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"Fuzztone, Ammo"  2008-07-07 10:30:43 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-03 18:37:11 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-03 18:42:52 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 15:36:10 
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"Mike A" <Mi  2008-07-04 16:04:54 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 16:12:55 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-04 00:07:14 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 15:54:57 
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"Steve Latham"   2008-07-04 16:12:10 
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Keith Freeman <smtp.ca  2008-07-04 17:56:10 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-06 17:29:02 
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"tombrown@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-04 13:18:34 
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tonydecaprio@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-04 18:25:35 
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Neil <nhmiller@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 22:09:52 
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tonydecaprio@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-05 06:15:35 
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jimmyb <jimmy@[EMAIL P  2008-07-05 09:09:19 
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"Joe Finn" <  2008-07-05 12:56:56 
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zepa.pires@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-05 13:39:12 
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"Rick Stone" &l  2008-07-06 17:40:47 
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Melodious Thunk <thunk  2008-07-07 11:45:59 
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zepa.pires@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-07 20:19:15 
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LJS <ljschenck@[EMAIL   2008-07-07 22:34:49 
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