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"Telstar" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Tom K." <tkorth1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> In article <g5naaf$i9n$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "Telstar" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> "Telstar" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> > "Thanatos" <atropos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> >> Since y'all were so helpful with my first question a few weeks
ago, I
> >>> >> have another. This one is from Horner's score to ALIENS. It's a
> >>> >> strange
> >>> >> symbol I've never seen before in the violin line (although being
a
> >>> >> trumpet player, it could be a fairly common symbol that is unique
to
> >>> >> strings, for all I know).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> In the recording, the strings seems to be making some kind of
> >>> >> haunted,
> >>> >> creepy, screechy "Psycho" type sound at this point in the score.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> A scan of the excerpt is here:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The symbol in question is circled in red.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks in advance!
> >>> >
> >>> > A tone cluster (see Henry Cowell for origin). The strings play
the
> >>> > cluster of notes divisi in 14 parts for the duration indicated.
> >>
> >>> The indication is for two octaves above notation. The Kurzweil synth
> >>> using Ocarina (see also) patch.
> >>
> >> So which notes do the strings play in the cluster? I see there's some
> >> notes in parentheses next to the first symbol, I assume those are the
> >> pitches the players are supposed to use but how does it work? Does
each
> >> player just pick a note and play it over and over again or do they
> >> alternate between each note in some kind of free rhythm? From what I
can
> >> hear on the recording, it kind of sounds like the latter.
> >
> > IIRC, that used to be known as "Frame Notation" where one would
improvise
> > rapidly on the pitches within the frame. Perhaps it has been combined
> > with the cluster symbol, although normally, there would be an
indication
> > as to which instrument had which pitch. Take a look at Penderecki's
> > "Threnody" for his notation of very dense (1/4 tone) string clusters.
> For film scores with this technique (and other quasi improvisatory
> passages), see the opening sections of Close Encounters (Hal Leonard
> publishes the concert suite score).
>
> The players and conductor usually work out distributions of
> the divisi when it is loosely notated.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the info.
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